Dr. Joanna Kukawa: Alien Goddesses, Natural Intelligence, & The Third Space

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Joanna Kujawa, author of Alien Goddess: UFOs, AI, and the Goddess of Ascension, to explore the archetype of the Alien Goddess — from Baba Yaga to Inanna to Mary Magdalene. Together, we dive into the importance of reviving the Divine Feminine at this turning point in history, and why humanity faces a final choice between artificial intelligence and our own natural intelligence — what I call Plasma Intelligence. We also discuss the “third space,” or Nous, the inner knowing Mary Magdalene taught as the gateway to true power.

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Heart Snacks Takeaways From This Episode 💖

• The divine feminine is vital to spiritual recovery and healing.
•  UFOs may carry messages from the divine feminine.
•  Fear can cloud our perception of non-human intelligence.
•  Inner work, intuition, and imagination fuel personal evolution.
•  Baba Yaga represents the misunderstood aspects of the feminine.
•  Daily choices shape our spiritual journey and consciousness.
•   Intuition and imagination are key to understanding spiritual messages.
•  Fear is a natural part of life and can be used to fuel courage.
•  Letting go of expectations can lead to greater fulfillment.
•  Finding connection in nature can be a source of healing.
• Co-creating a new future requires trust in oneself and the universe.

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Website: https://www.joannakujawa.com/ 

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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drjoannakujawa.author/ 

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgqYaV1qtPD720FTQHsEAeg 

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Transcript

Dr Joanna Kujawa (00:00.207)
Okay, so I really, really just surrendered to the process. I didn't want to write this book. So it just came from there and I use my research skills and my writing skills for this. But I kind of surrendered because I am absolutely aware of what's going on, you know, this and I have only that many resources and hopefully it will happen. If it doesn't happen, I did my part. You know what I mean? Like I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dana Kippel (00:01.411)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (00:08.381)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (00:19.284)
Yeah. Same. Yeah, no, from from author to author, I have like no resources. I same thing. I didn't actually want to even write my book and then it just kept knocking at my door. And I just had to do it. But I really feel like even if it takes like a year or two, or even hopefully in another month or two, I think that you'll sell so many copies because

Dr Joanna Kujawa (00:34.243)
Yeah, the same.

Dana Kippel (00:46.41)
I think so much people are sick of AI and technology and the narrative is about technology, but I think people's hearts are so sick of that stuff. And I think that they're gonna find your message and resonate. And hopefully we'll get this out to a lot of people too. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. No, you too.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (00:56.004)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:01.743)
Thank you, thank you so much. You're so sweet, it's wonderful. And very beautiful, I'm sure you get comments on your film. Oh, just my husband asked me to tell you that he was actually, he's from Queens, he's a New Yorker, but he left a long time ago. He was born in Manhattan, but lived in Queens. He told me where, but I forgot. And he went to London and now for many years in Australia, so.

Dana Kippel (01:13.804)
Ha

Dana Kippel (01:22.645)
whoa. Okay.

Dana Kippel (01:29.962)
my God, that's so cool. Yeah, I was born in Queens and then I moved to upstate New York when I was really young. So I was only born there. But yes, I'm from New York and now I'm moving to Portland, Oregon. So I'm excited to be more in nature. Yes. Okay, let's get started. Let's go right in. I have so many questions for you and I'm sure we're going to go into our our own flow.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:45.101)
Yeah, yeah, I love it too.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:52.076)
I

Dana Kippel (01:54.9)
I already was listening to Mary Magdalene music before I came on here just to get into liminal space. But I'm going to just do an introduction and then we'll start with three little warmup questions and then we'll just go right into it. Okay.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (02:09.657)
Okay.

Dana Kippel (02:11.626)
Okay, hello everyone. Welcome to Heart Snacks. This is my podcast exploring all things metaphysical, mental health, and the beautifully mundane. Whether we are diving into cosmic mysteries, sharing tools for emotional wellbeing, or finding wonder in everyday life, every conversation offers a dose of sweetness for your soul. In this episode, I am so excited to introduce one of my favorite authors. Please help me pronounce your name.

down with Dr. Joanna Kujawa.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (02:44.409)
Koo Yabba!

Dana Kippel (02:46.11)
Okay, doctor, I'm horrible at pronouncing. You'll learn this doctor. Okay. I am sitting down with Dr. Joanna Kuyawa, author of Alien Goddess, UFOs, AI and the Goddess of Ascension. And this is maybe not what you think it is, which I'm excited to get into. Today we will explore the archetype of the alien goddess from Baba Yaga to Anana to Mary Magdalene.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (02:47.759)
Nobody can pronounce it so don't worry.

Dana Kippel (03:14.05)
Together we will dive into the importance of reviving the divine feminine at this turning point in history and why humanity faces a final choice between artificial intelligence and our own natural intelligence, something I sometimes call plasma intelligence. We also will discuss the third space or noose, the inner knowing Mary Magdalene taught us as the gateway to true power. And welcome.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (03:42.051)
Good to be here. Thank you for inviting me.

Dana Kippel (03:44.882)
Yes, I'm so excited to have you and let's let's create a nice space for ourselves So first I I like to ask people questions that help get us into our heart And that I think is through the inner child. So First question what brings you the most? nostalgia that feels juicy and magical to you

Dr Joanna Kujawa (03:50.799)
Okay.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (04:08.707)
Wow.

That's actually, you would be surprised, it's a very difficult question for me because I noticed that I'm very much a future-oriented person. So what brings me nostalgia? Because nostalgia seems to be connected more to the past. But I think I have the answer, now it came to me. So just as well I didn't think about it. What brings me nostalgia is actually partially what alien goddess is and the other goddess is about. I think that there's this other form of knowing.

Dana Kippel (04:10.711)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (04:14.99)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (04:18.807)
Me too.

Dana Kippel (04:25.133)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (04:37.101)
Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (04:40.177)
this other form of consciousness which is so intuitive, is so beautiful, that is very feminine, but it's accessible for both women and men and it was somehow lost and we are now, you and I and so many others, try to recover this because we know that this is the missing piece in our lives, spiritual lives, our lives which became very mechanical and very, you know, kind of rational.

Dana Kippel (04:54.06)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (04:59.842)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (05:07.359)
Rigid.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (05:08.521)
rigid and you know have to do this and professionally also like in my profession I'm an academic to be a professor you have to do this this this this this right and but I think but my heart wants to do that right writing a book like that because from an academic you understand like from a career perspective it's not and and I had to write it so this is my nostalgia for this other way of knowing from connecting in a kind of very natural way that is also very

Dana Kippel (05:17.868)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (05:22.346)
Yeah, yes.

Dana Kippel (05:31.052)
Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (05:38.338)
in very ecological way, let's put it this way, because there's so much talk recently about the matrix, but I think the matrix is actually the natural matrix. We can speak with nature, can connect with nature, we can connect with each other. And so my greatest passion, maybe I would say, but also nostalgia, so it's interesting. Thank you for bringing it up. It is to recover this, because this is the one thing that we all collectively and individually miss.

Dana Kippel (05:42.254)
Mm.

Dana Kippel (05:49.11)
Yes. Yes.

Dana Kippel (06:07.946)
that is such a good answer. I kind of see it too as our own essence or our own unique magic. So it really is. And that's what I have nostalgia for too. It's like going back to that natural being. And I always say that too, the movie, Matrix kind of messed up the meaning of matrix because we're not supposed to escape the matrix. We're supposed to embrace and co-create with the matrix. And you speak about that.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (06:20.175)
Mmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (06:33.347)
Yeah, and the matrix, know, they think only in kind of computer type matrix, when we know the matrix is actually the energy of life. And in some esoteric traditions, and for me, it was discovered in Hinduism first, know, the Shakti, which is that life energy, or in French, they call it a la vitale, which is like the flow of life, you know, just step into it and everything is magic. And you're part of a very divine life force. And somehow, you

Dana Kippel (06:38.647)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (06:42.424)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (06:47.831)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (06:53.644)
Yeah. Yes.

Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (07:03.281)
We're just missing on it and I miss it, you I miss it.

Dana Kippel (07:05.582)
Yeah.

I do too. I see it as like a what you just said, the vital fluid, which I call plasma, which I'll talk about later, because this is not about me. But it is almost like that divine feminine mother's milk that we all have access to. And that's why your work speaks to me so much. Okay, I feel like we're already in our heart. So I'm not going to ask you the other two questions. Let's go right into your book. Okay, so you have a very interesting perspective on UFOs, their link with the divine feminine and the quote, don't be afraid.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (07:11.407)
Hmm.

Dana Kippel (07:38.091)
Please speak on what you think these UFO encounters are and what you think their main messaging is for us.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (07:45.488)
Thank you. Thank you for your interesting and deep questions. And I can see that they are hard questions. So just perhaps for your listeners, would say that UFOs was actually the second part of the book that I wrote. I put it in front of the book, but because I started to ask myself a question, was the divine feminine trying to communicate with us, not only in history, know, from mythologies and so on, but also right now?

Dana Kippel (07:46.818)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (07:59.82)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (08:09.581)
Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (08:15.281)
because of my concern about artificial intelligence and so on. And it was very intuitive. I actually was drinking coffee sitting at the table, you know, with my man and dog, Borda Collie, know, wild Borda Collie. And she's so gorgeous, but yes, full of Alain Vital. Let's put it this way, Full of things. And I got this message in suddenly I remember my childhood friend, you know, from Poland, because this is where

Dana Kippel (08:19.842)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (08:27.478)
Mm-hmm

Bye.

Dana Kippel (08:35.468)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (08:45.231)
I was born and that she had a UFO encounter. And then I went and I started to research this and suddenly I had this, this kind of feeling that actually UFO encounters very often had a message for humanity. So I was looking for the feminine side of this, right? Because very often the message comes in the form of a feminine energy or actually feminine image. Like for example, Chris Bletsoe talks about the white lady, the

Dana Kippel (09:08.876)
Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (09:15.121)
Catholics have Virgin Mary and she's appearing here and there. But in fact, this is this divine feminine energy or plasma, because we talk more in scientific terms, That's right. That's good. So that's very good.

Dana Kippel (09:25.068)
Yeah, plaz-ma.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (09:33.738)
And that she is trying to convey something to us. By she I mean this kind of divine feminine, right? She's trying to convey something to us. So I started to research UFO events that focused on that. So the biggest one, there are lots of them. And now when people write to me, what about Guadeloupe? What about this? I said, I just focus on some, right? Because this is not what the book really is about. So I focus mostly, yeah, this is what I focus mostly on Fatima. If you want me to shut up at any stage, let me know, okay?

Dana Kippel (09:37.782)
Yes.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (09:51.822)
Oh, I know. I, yeah. No, exactly.

Dana Kippel (10:03.137)
No, talk.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (10:03.601)
So Fatima was a very interesting sighting. So Fatima is actually a small village in Portugal, Europe, where in 1916 and 1917, so over a hundred years ago, three children started to see this apparition of what they called White Lady. But what they actually remember is this kind of cloud-like, orb-like appearances, white, but it seemed to have hands or something because there was this kind of warm energy coming out of her.

Dana Kippel (10:11.406)
Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (10:33.521)
extended almost like hands. And because they started to share this with other people in our village, people started to believe that it must be Virgin Mary because, you know, they were predominantly Catholic there, right? And it was a long, you know, a hundred years ago. And at certain stage, she said that there is going to be a big event and that they should tell people, everyone. So in October, two thousand seven nine, sorry, nineteen seventeen and seventy thousand people showed up.

Dana Kippel (10:36.056)
Wow.

Dana Kippel (10:45.23)
Sure.

Dana Kippel (10:56.77)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (11:00.524)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (11:03.621)
waiting for something to happen and in fact something really did happen. There was an immense event that different people, an interesting part is when we maybe later move to Liminal and so on space, that different people experienced different things but everybody had a huge experience.

Dana Kippel (11:16.012)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (11:21.725)
okay. So we'll get into that in a little bit. But basically, what you're saying is that they all

The way I view it, almost you know how everyone kind of has an aura or a Torah shape around them like their energy field. I kind of view that as almost like our reality interface, not as a machine though. But we all have our own experiences with reality with our consciousness and this divine feminine energy. So the way you're explaining it makes sense to me because based on each perspective, there was a liminal space and energetic space of imagination and dream state that opened

and each people had their own unique experience in it based on their cultural beliefs, know, unique perspectives that so yes, and yep, yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (12:01.517)
Yes.

This is exactly that. There was a very small group of people that didn't experience anything because probably they were not open to the experience.

Dana Kippel (12:11.892)
Exactly. Yes. Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (12:13.967)
Because this is a question very often in UFO community and I'm not part of the community. I'm just adding to a conversation. Yeah. Fantastic. But you know, they say, how come, you know, this and that had the experience and I didn't. And I think it's really about your field of perception, what I call it, you know, like you have to open your field of perception. This is what esoteric sources are talking about. And if you do not allow for it, a brain cannot actually register every single perception, right? So then you just,

Dana Kippel (12:20.075)
Yeah, same.

Dana Kippel (12:28.322)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (12:32.514)
I agree.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (12:44.011)
this is and you just just don't even process it so I think that's why some people didn't even experience anything but they were in a like minority the majority of people including I write about it in my book you know there are two atheists who came they wanted to debunk and had a huge experience and so on so the lady came actually to give warning to humanity and there's lots of speculation what it was so now it is kind of in control of other people so they said she was saying that

Dana Kippel (12:54.829)
dead.

Yes.

Dana Kippel (13:01.997)
Yeah, yeah.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (13:13.841)
that first of all, if we don't change our ways, there would be another huge war and she meant World War II, presumably, right? Because it was World War I. Then, and that's not clear what her last message was. Okay, so there's lots of speculation, lots of conspiratorial theories about it. They say Vatican is controlling it, I'm not sure, but nobody knows what it is. But basically it was all about changing our ways that we are going in the wrong direction. And that's why I was also looking into Obdach

Dana Kippel (13:16.973)
Mm-hmm.

Wow. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (13:29.206)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (13:33.88)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (13:41.676)
I agree.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (13:43.804)
in experiences, know, John Max famous book abduction, when he was putting people into hypnosis who believed they were abducted. And the same happens there that very often there was this feminine figure that had message for them. And they said, you focus on the message, not on technology, right?

Dana Kippel (13:45.763)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (13:54.67)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (13:59.394)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (14:03.872)
Yes. so yes. So that's what I wanted to say about the quote, do not be afraid. That's in most religions, most mythologies. It seems like our internal state creates the experience with this other thing, this natural intelligence that we're creating stories out of, right?

Dr Joanna Kujawa (14:09.55)
I

Dr Joanna Kujawa (14:22.414)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (14:22.616)
that really just wants to, and I think you'll agree with this, support and help our evolution and our experience. And it's almost crying out to us, which we'll get into also, but it seems like a lot of us are stuck in survival and fear states and are creating technological and evil stories when it's not about that. What do you think about that? Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (14:35.951)
parents.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (14:41.185)
It's not about this. And this is what they keep saying consistently. This is not about this. And I want to drop the fear because, you know, it is kind of scary, especially if people have a physical experience being floated away from their bedroom at night. so they are freaking out. There is a message there. The issue, and you are right, they say do not be afraid, which is very interesting because when in medieval ages, they, know, when people saw angels, right, which is probably the same thing.

Dana Kippel (14:50.007)
Sure.

Dana Kippel (14:54.966)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (15:01.474)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (15:09.42)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (15:11.31)
and always come to us do not be afraid

Dana Kippel (15:14.956)
Yes, because if we're afraid, I at least when I was younger, because I had a lot of trauma, had experiences and I would see demons and witch ladies. As soon as I started healing my trauma, now I have only mostly positive experiences. And if they are negative, it's because I'm literally in times of stress. So I know for a fact for myself, it is on my inner state. I'm curious if you feel that way.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (15:28.655)
Mmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (15:32.847)
you

Dr Joanna Kujawa (15:39.97)
interesting because I had a big experience when I was 19, I was still then living with my mom in Poland and I had a huge experience of fear which was related to something and I had a huge experience of fear and suddenly I think now it was probably in my consciousness but then it was the blurring between internal and external. I thought it happened externally, a big kind of

Dana Kippel (15:44.75)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (15:50.87)
Hmm. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (16:05.903)
portal open of light. And the first thing that I heard in a telepathic way, was, not be afraid. So I experienced this, right? Do not be afraid. And then I suddenly felt this calming, because I was panicking, calming warm energy. And ah, you know, and the fear went away, right?

Dana Kippel (16:07.808)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (16:12.162)
Mm hmm. Well. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (16:20.684)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (16:27.724)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (16:28.717)
But it was exactly this, there was this message, do not be afraid, which is traditionally associated with angels. And now lots of people who have UFO encounters, they say it comes with the same, you know, the same message, do not be afraid, right?

Dana Kippel (16:35.949)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (16:40.792)
That's so cool.

Yeah. Okay, we'll get into the next question. So this kind of goes with that thought and then we'll get out of aliens go more into the goddess and AI. I'm just doing this to kind of rope people in. You say, okay, tell me your thoughts on how you think aliens can't save us only we can save ourselves through inner work.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (16:55.949)
Hahaha!

Dr Joanna Kujawa (17:07.352)
Mm-hmm.

Okay, because I think it is a very dangerous way of thinking and especially if I watch other people's podcasts and people say, I welcome aliens because this and that. I think that this is because people are so, you know, the world is a very complicated place at the moment. I'm not getting into politics or anything, but it's complicated on so many levels and people are fed up. People are fed up and they, what is dangerous here is that they think someone else externally will come and save us.

Dana Kippel (17:12.557)
I do too.

Dana Kippel (17:24.579)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (17:38.482)
not going to happen for several reasons if you don't mind. For several reasons. First of all, think people are used to externalizing everything instead of looking within. Plus we are taught through political systems and traditional religions that you just surrender. You give up your sovereignty. It will do this and things will be okay. When all esoteric sources

Dana Kippel (17:48.311)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (18:00.77)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah

Dr Joanna Kujawa (18:07.609)
Christian, Hindu, any esoteric sources talk about looking within. Nothing changes unless you change. So unless you shift your field of perception,

Dana Kippel (18:13.771)
Hmm.

Mm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (18:21.647)
you are not going so what I will say because there's lots of talk about ascension also nowadays right and I say ascension is an inner job there's no way that you know like the earth is splitting in half and the fourth dimension of this I don't know maybe it does but if you don't do inner work you're not going anywhere baby you know

Dana Kippel (18:28.428)
Yeah

Yes.

Dana Kippel (18:40.682)
Yes, that yes, yes. That's like everyone. Mostly men, sorry men, but most men are obsessed with externalizing technology or looking into space. What about what's inside earth or the oceans? It's crazy. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (18:53.487)
Mmm.

Absolutely. absolutely this and that's why I think that unfortunately as species we are looking too much into the externals and what it starts actually in my but not only mine because I was looking at the research of other people it was Greek mythology that we all love and Greek history, right? Because it's Plato, Aristotle and all of this but it started with Tekne. Tekne is this kind of rational logical mind that focuses on technology and something

Dana Kippel (19:10.509)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (19:23.47)
Dr Joanna Kujawa (19:25.317)
and it's in the third part of the book. So you arrive at eventually something actually the previous civilizations were not like that.

Dana Kippel (19:28.92)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (19:35.92)
And you know, this invasion of this warrior tribes and so on, and Maria Gimbutas was archaeologist. She actually also wrote a lot about it. Something was lost. The lineage of goddesses, the lineage of priestesses was lost. And now, you know, in my first book, I was asking myself, who are the goddesses? Are they archetypes? Are they, you know, something? Now, after this book, I'm absolutely studying mythologies. I'm absolutely convinced that they walked the earth.

Dana Kippel (19:36.076)
Okay.

Dana Kippel (19:44.078)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (20:03.638)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (20:04.251)
their actual entities. don't know what they are, you know, but they meant well for humanity because also in lots of these technological narratives, they say that the goddess is the evil one, you know, so the guy from this area buys, you know, like alien goddess, they say, yeah, you know, the bad alien goddess, you know, like, poor queen or something, but it is completely the opposite. So now I forgot your question because I got...

Dana Kippel (20:15.022)
I know.

Dana Kippel (20:21.877)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (20:26.498)
Mm-hmm.

no, you answered it about how we can only save ourselves through inner work. I agree. So when I came across you, was actually I was on a road trip. I was like driving in Idaho. Maybe this was three years ago. You were on some podcast talking about your book, The Other Goddess, it's called. And you were talking about bikinis and

Dr Joanna Kujawa (20:34.722)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (20:48.621)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (20:51.072)
I don't know what you were even saying, but I just had all these revelations and I was so connected. Yeah. And I was so connected. It like opened a portal for me to have my own downloads. If that makes sense, like your words, your words or your mythology, right? Cause myth means words, which you write about in your book. Your words opened up my higher self to kind of speak through them to me. And you were talking about Dikini's. Yeah. Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (20:55.329)
Dr Joanna Kujawa (21:02.776)
Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (21:07.023)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (21:15.149)
That makes me so happy, you know, that we can connect, you know.

Dana Kippel (21:20.342)
Yes. Yeah. And I can't remember what I thought, but a lot of it actually I did write about you in my book. But it was stuff about, yeah, it was, but it was stuff about like Anana and Mary Magdalene and how I think and Sundari and Kali and how there's like this, even if they're different, real people are almost like alien goddesses that were on this earth as energies that we can tap into as energies that almost are like our cosmic mother. I realized that they felt

Dr Joanna Kujawa (21:28.462)
Wow.

Dana Kippel (21:49.63)
different but all the same and we'll get into that as well and how that relates to who you call Baba Yaga and the misunderstanding about her. So I'll go into that. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (21:58.68)
Yes.

Thank you so much for this. Thank you that time. Dakini is just to explain some of our Buddhist shamanic entities which are basically like Hindu Shaktis, which is this divine feminine powers that are all around and you just have to know how to call upon them. Unfortunately, they were vilified very often by more masculine energies that basically didn't want to control them. There is no way you can control a Dakini or a Shakti.

Dana Kippel (22:02.978)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (22:07.916)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (22:11.757)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (22:18.54)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (22:22.04)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (22:27.413)
Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (22:31.031)
like there is no way you can only

Dana Kippel (22:32.395)
It's wild and raw.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (22:34.351)
That's right. And you can only make her angry, you know, if you try to control her. So Kali is the kind of highest expression of us in a way is as a goddess, you know, but it's also misunderstood. Kali is misunderstood because for example, in India, they basically slaughter animals in her name to appease her, which is completely not what she would like. Right. So, yeah, it's so sad. so that key is, and it's quite interesting for a moment, I can go back to UFOs because in a chance,

Dana Kippel (22:39.276)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (22:43.778)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (22:53.044)
No, she doesn't need that.

Dana Kippel (23:02.413)
Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (23:04.671)
Men especially very often have the experience of transmission of the warning or the energy, you know, you have to go in a different direction by a feminine figure through an erotic act.

Dana Kippel (23:15.362)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (23:19.041)
Yes, yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (23:19.535)
And they said they knew that they were using the sexual attraction that the figure could create. You usually a female fantasy with, you know, blonde, with siren. And then she sees, you know, he like, oh, she's hot, right? And then she says, OK. And then they have an erotic act just like Dakini. Right. And then he knew that she was transferred, that's downloading something. But because this download was

Dana Kippel (23:24.993)
Yes.

Like a siren, like a siren. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (23:36.759)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (23:41.303)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (23:49.441)
so huge. Very often, and it happened to me too, or not erotically, that you don't know exactly what they want you to say, just your life changes. So like my life completely transformed. And so his life transformed as well, but Dakini's also kind of happen in UFO experiences when there's an erotic encounter. So just as a side.

Dana Kippel (24:01.406)
Yes. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (24:13.292)
I love.

Yeah, no, I love your saying that and there's so much ways we can go but I have all this, I have it in my head. I'm trying to linearize us because we're so multi-dimensional. When you talk about dakinis, it makes me think of like plasma spins in vortices. It's almost like this like swirling kind of energy of photons and electrons and plasma literally is these free electrons that shoot out photons that create fluorescence, right? So there's a lot of relations there and I feel like

Dr Joanna Kujawa (24:20.632)
Okay.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (24:24.239)
Sorry.

Dana Kippel (24:44.382)
I lost it now. think I feel like the reason they kind of draw the men in and almost like impregnate them with this knowledge. I think that almost like that magic and expansive power scared them. And that's why they demonize them and suppress this. Because I think I think we're all scared of our power, which I'll get more into. But I want to talk about Baba Yaga first unless you want to say do you want to say something to that? Okay. Okay, so

Dr Joanna Kujawa (24:58.071)
Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (25:05.198)
Okay, can talk about Vapayaga. So, yeah, you better because I forgot what am I going to say.

Dana Kippel (25:12.249)
can I read a part of your book though? Because I feel like, okay.

Okay, so in the book Alien Goddess, you say at first Baba Yaga, who is a goddess that most associate with an old hag or a witch lady, came to us in her full glory, young and beautiful, willing to share her sacred rights with us as Anana, as Isis, as Demeter, as Mary Magdalene and as Sophia. She has come to us over and over again, but each time we have chosen not to listen. Each time either

This I love this each time either our own ignorance and greed or some external forces that do not want us to evolve have tricked her into darkness. Each time she has come to us to remind us that place of power comes from noose the space of dreams and imagination. And this time when she saw that we have chosen technology over spirit, she turned within and hid in her sacred darkness.

She was forgotten and concealed into mythical accounts waiting for the final call again. And I think we both know we are at that final call. So the floor is yours to speak about all of that.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (26:24.893)
wow. Okay, thank you so much for bringing up Baba Yaga. First of all, it was a very personal connection for me that I didn't expect because I had not... It's one of these things and you as an author, you know, I was not planning to write about Baba Yaga and it was... was exhausted after promoting the other goddess and I was lying in bed and she showed up in my liminal space and she said, that's it, you have to, you know, write about me. I have to be at the end of the book. This is how it goes. And it was not only that like it was a voice in my head, but I...

Dana Kippel (26:38.082)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (26:49.708)
Well.

Dana Kippel (26:54.638)
Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (26:54.677)
actually in this liminal space I saw myself in her heart and I was lying on some bed made of know old rags and she was in the cauldron like you would you know in slavic fairy tales and you know and she was kind of giggling and and I knew that she's very powerful but I also knew she's there to heal me but also she can just kill me anytime as well you know very kind of shamanic entity yeah and

Dana Kippel (27:07.553)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (27:23.471)
If I can just elaborate a little bit. And then I didn't say this to anyone, right? Because it was an experience. And what am I going to tell people? Oh, know, Baba Jaga came to And then my mother, I was talking to my mother who lives in Poland and she says that she went with her friend to, and Baba Jaga lives in the old forest in Folkton.

Dana Kippel (27:25.422)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Dana Kippel (27:33.122)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (27:44.812)
Yes, the far, yep.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (27:46.412)
Yeah, and it's called the old forest and and my mother says you would not believe because I went with my friend to visit her friend who lives in the old forest which is the name of the forest where my mother lives in the town right outside of the town so it's the name is the same and we met this lady which we called Baba Yaga because she lives for 12 months a year in this forest she actually has wild animals coming to her and she invited us for a tea and you the

Dana Kippel (27:49.806)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (28:01.43)
Mm-hmm

Dr Joanna Kujawa (28:15.895)
Okay. And I thought it was, and I didn't tell her about my liminal experience, right? Just so doesn't think I lost it. So, and then this is what she's telling me. So it was a sort of confirmation. Yeah. And I started to do research in Baba Yaga. And in fact, it's quite interesting because she's an old Slavic entity. Let's put it this way. She's an old Slavic entity and people who wrote about her, usually Russian or Eastern European, but usually Russian mythologists, they said,

Dana Kippel (28:16.514)
That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (28:27.182)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (28:31.042)
Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (28:45.819)
that there is no equivalent for her in any other mythology. So she's like very ancient, right? She's very ancient. And actually when she was in and very suppressed and she's angry, she's angry because, know, not because she needs fame, but it's, know, she brought the goods to the world. Yeah. She's a protector of nature.

Dana Kippel (28:49.932)
Yeah, that's what I love. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (28:56.094)
Very suppressed. Yeah. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (29:11.831)
She's a protector of what is actually important for humanity. And in my book, basically say, and she's sick and tired of us making the same mistake over and over again. So she's hiding in this forest. And quite interestingly, people say, you know, she used to eat young men, you know, for breakfast or something. But I think it is actually a metaphor for the masculine form, form of our brain, masculine mind, right? Like this technologically oriented mind and that

Dana Kippel (29:15.874)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (29:22.583)
Yeah, I agree.

Dana Kippel (29:29.384)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (29:37.355)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (29:41.698)
she in fact, you know, is the one that preserves everything, you know, and the reason why she has this big cauldron, which apparently she's always making this kind of big soup or something. It is because it is her kind of space in which she makes sure that evil doesn't enter our world. So this is like the protective space. Okay. So this is doing this for us, but we don't care. We think she's this ugly woman, even in this TV series.

Dana Kippel (29:51.63)
Whoa. Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (30:02.388)
Whoa. Wait.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (30:11.601)
the witcher, she is, you because it was written by a Polish author, she, you know, she's this horrible witch, you know, and it's, the descriptions are so masculine, she says like her old stinky vulva, you know, like you could not ignore them anymore, right? So when in fact she's not that, she's just being vilified because she is the part of our consciousness, that this masculine part that now is taking us to its very

Dana Kippel (30:15.564)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (30:27.168)
Yeah, yeah. Yes.

Dana Kippel (30:37.998)
Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (30:41.541)
limit through artificial intelligence and let's go let's dump the earth and take everybody to Mars kind of Elon Musk right she actually

Dana Kippel (30:47.319)
Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (30:52.995)
represents this other feminine that I am nostalgic about, right? But because we completely lost touch with it, we think it's ugly. We think it's old, you know, this is like, ooh, you know, it's a little bit like, I hope I'm not insulting anyone. You see somebody,

Dana Kippel (30:56.715)
Yes, yes.

Dana Kippel (31:01.324)
Yes. Mm hmm. Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (31:12.225)
who is all buttock-stabbed and know made up and then you see this woman of the same age and you think she's so ugly this is a little bit like that right because she doesn't care for this right and so it's actually our rejected feminine power our rejected and suppressed goodness of the feminine presence in our consciousness and we are so tragically disconnected with this that we portray her now as this old witch

Dana Kippel (31:20.94)
Yes. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (31:28.195)
Mm.

Yeah.

Hmm.

Dana Kippel (31:38.712)
Mmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (31:42.129)
you know, like, and who is despicable in every physical form, when in fact she's protecting us in nature.

Dana Kippel (31:43.202)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (31:51.662)
So beautiful. I'm trying to be quiet because you're making me think so many things. So I want to speak on what you just said because so I made some connections. When you said that she protects the universe from evil, that is so interesting to me because I have told people time and time again with this whole narrative about being scared of aliens or these entities that are, you know, they think are bad or demonic.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (31:57.039)
You

Dana Kippel (32:19.594)
they once again these this energy wants to support us and help us evolve. And I feel it's pain like you do like sometimes I feel so much anger and sadness and grief. And I know it's not mine, but it's part mine, but it's like I'm resonating with hers. And it feels with protecting the universe from evil, this what I call plasma, but this energy, right?

Dr Joanna Kujawa (32:36.579)
Cheers.

Dana Kippel (32:45.102)
it tells me that if there were something evil that could get us, it would have gotten us already. there, that is such a distraction to even, like there's nothing we should be scared of outside of us. And we don't, and like, we don't need anything outside of us. Like, yes, we can have things outside of us, but it's a reminder of our, of our inner power. And the masculine has made us think it's ugly because power is scary. So I want...

Dr Joanna Kujawa (33:11.407)
The power that they cannot understand. Yes. The power, that's right.

Dana Kippel (33:15.316)
Yes, that's not logical. It's paradoxical. It's not an easy path. It is not linear. You say this in your book too. It's not like I could just give you a step, step and step and you'll have this. It's reading ancient texts. It's meditation and being in communion with this intelligence. it's the, can't, there's no words for it, right? You have to, it's a personal journey, right? Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (33:41.134)
Yes.

But you can call upon this. for example, OK, so I studied the Gospel of Mary Magdalene for 20 years, you know, so connected with the text. Then before I was initiated to a tradition, esoteric tradition, and then I started to be entouraged through Kundalini awakening, know, but this actually I started to feel the power, OK, I started to feel the power flowing through me, which was quite interesting, at least twice, you know, once through initiation, once during an erotic act as well, right? When I just

Dana Kippel (33:45.4)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (33:49.206)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (34:00.6)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (34:08.834)
Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (34:12.769)
I saw that material wealth is just particles, right? So that was my experience. And it lasted three months. you know, so it was just some erotic high. And I have this, you know, images here. This is actually Parashakti. So it means the divine.

Dana Kippel (34:16.706)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (34:20.78)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (34:27.212)
wait, bring it on camera just because it's out of the camera a little bit. On my camera, it's out of the camera. OK, and explain that.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (34:31.503)
Thank

Dr Joanna Kujawa (34:36.761)
So this is Parashakti, so it is the goddess Shakti. It is the goddess Shakti that has, you know, compresses all of other feminine goddesses, you know, so she's everything. So she's like Devi, you know, in Hinduism call it Devi also, right? So it's the goddess, so it's not only any aspect, she brings all the aspects. So, but actually the easiest way is just to connect with her through sacred words, such as mantra, for example. If you want, I can send

Dana Kippel (34:38.901)
huh.

Dana Kippel (34:46.638)
Mmm.

Dana Kippel (34:52.31)
Yes, yes.

Dana Kippel (34:59.403)
I love that.

Dana Kippel (35:04.812)
Dr Joanna Kujawa (35:06.735)
the link to the mantra that I am saying so people can use it they want to. So there are many ways of correcting, sorry.

Dana Kippel (35:10.526)
Yeah. Yes. No, no, no, you keep talking. I was going to just say, yes, I would love to know the mantra if you want to share it. And that was actually one of my other questions we could just flow into. How do you connect with this intelligence that you call non-human intelligence with this divine feminine power? Talk more on that, please. Because people, that's the main thing everyone asks me and it's hard to put into words, but you're good at that.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (35:32.014)
Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (35:37.328)
So non-human intelligence, I want to redefine it because non-human intelligence again described by the techno lords or overlords, they mean it is mechanical artificial intelligence. When non-human intelligence it's quite interesting because non-human intelligence I mean any natural intelligence, the animals, the trees, the spirits around us. Let's focus on this. And somebody I think on purpose wants to divert

Dana Kippel (35:40.941)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (35:59.49)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (36:07.361)
attention from that rich non-human intelligence which is trying to communicate with us through you know by focusing our attention on technology and I actually had in the book this vision of myself you know getting more and more involved with my mobile and then you know becoming a cyborg eventually and then being completely lost in technology and this cyborg creature comes to me as me to me that I'm still physical help me you know this kind of robot

You know, it was horrible, you know, and because then she got lost in this and this is where we are going and non-human intelligence is everything else, you know, and they push us in this direction. So there many ways to connect to this and I also very highly recommend the four levels of consciousness from the Gospel of Mary Magdalene that are explaining the book. So for example, if you want to be like more intellectual about it, but it's actually spiritual, it depends on

Dana Kippel (36:40.908)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (36:45.6)
Meh. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (36:54.958)
Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (37:07.121)
type of devotion you want to have. So one is, you know, wrong identification. if you believe that everything is just mechanical and physical, right? Of course, intelligence is the way because it gives you some form of immortality, right? Then there is wrong desire. Wrong desire, it is you have to transcend the wrong desire. So for example, wrong desire, it would be like, I want to be immortal even if I'm a machine.

Dana Kippel (37:15.363)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (37:20.46)
Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Dana Kippel (37:32.014)
Mmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (37:32.428)
right? Because it prolongs some part of my consciousness, right? And then there is, so what we can do with the desire, we can uplift the desire, you know? So what about, you know, desire to connect with the spirit, with non-human intelligences that are around us? The third level of consciousness is actually NOS, which is knowledge or wisdom versus ignorance. In the NOS, if I can just, this is this kind of hook between us and the divine

Dana Kippel (37:36.055)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (37:42.562)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (37:48.674)
Mm-hmm.

Hmm.

Mmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (38:01.389)
you know, divine energy, because I don't like to say divine mind, because again, we go into the same, you know, rabbit hole, you know, what's the mind and so on. Divine energy. And in the gospel of Mary Magdalene, nobody has to be a Christian or anything to, you know, correct, relate to this, but the story of this, is that Mary Magdalene is sitting with all other disciples, male disciples, and she says, I can see the teacher, because this is how Jesus is. I can see the teacher, you know, and the teacher said,

Dana Kippel (38:03.96)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (38:09.1)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (38:23.48)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (38:31.313)
Jesus says, Mary, you're blessed because you can see me. I am in the news, so he's in the living space when others can't see him. And she's asked, how am I seeing you? And says, you're seeing me through the news. And the male disciples are really angry because they say, what is she talking about? I cannot see him.

Dana Kippel (38:36.108)
Mm-hmm

Dana Kippel (38:41.784)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (38:51.958)
Yeah, they get upset. I read that.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (38:53.979)
and they really dump on her, you know, and she ends up crying and you know, when Jesus says, you know, wow, you're blessed because you're the only one and that can actually connect with me. So this is basically developing a field of being open to this other field of perception, which is a liminal space. And I divide liminal space into, you know, it's in between, right? We know it's just interdimensional, almost like that. But I also had experiences what's it is also called imaginal, which

Dana Kippel (38:58.573)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (39:05.986)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (39:12.11)
Mm.

Dana Kippel (39:16.078)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (39:23.153)
means you can have a two-way communication. So when you actually call upon this energy and ask for assistance, and you can actually dialogue, but it usually happens through images.

Dana Kippel (39:29.944)
Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (39:36.686)
You it has images. Yeah, so I think, you know what? I think actually that most people have it. It's just that, you know, it was not real. nothing is more real than that, you know? So all you can connect.

Dana Kippel (39:36.716)
Yes, I have that. Yes.

Dana Kippel (39:44.002)
They do.

Yes.

Dana Kippel (39:51.116)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (39:54.512)
And this is also from esoteric sources, so it's not like you don't have to believe me, right? You can connect through saying a mantra. What is a mantra or a prayer? It is you use the higher language because we create the language, right? So for example, you create the higher language, so it depends, but it's not what you say as much. This is very interesting. That's why all the kind of new agey thing, you know, just partially true. But from what level of your consciousness you're connecting?

Dana Kippel (39:58.883)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (40:04.344)
Mm-hmm.

Okay. huh.

Dana Kippel (40:15.223)
Mmm.

Dana Kippel (40:19.265)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (40:24.878)
Mmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (40:25.046)
So if you go through at least third level of connection, is the news, then whatever you say happens, you know. So for example, that's why calling upon divine name of Devi or goddess helps.

Dana Kippel (40:29.272)
Mm-hmm.

Hmm?

Dana Kippel (40:36.718)
Mm hmm. Okay. I'm writing I'm taking notes while you're talking and not realizing that I'm recording this conversation. Okay, I love all this. Thank you for sharing that. let me see what I just wrote down. Okay. I'm out of order, which is fine because that is life. So everything you just said, do you have that in your book, alien goddess about how to connect? Or is that some

Dr Joanna Kujawa (41:03.471)
Yes, I have it because when I talk about actually big part of the book it's like the two of our sessions in the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene and Egyptian Esoteric Tradition, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene and Carl Jung, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, UFOs and Artificial Intelligence. So there are like four or five chapters on it.

Dana Kippel (41:09.75)
Is it this section?

Dana Kippel (41:23.648)
Is it in the uncovering goddess wisdom section? Okay. Okay, everyone if, yeah. Huh?

Dr Joanna Kujawa (41:26.817)
Yes, that's right. So this is not there, but it's bit complex, you know what mean? it takes a long time. But basically, from what level of your consciousness are you connecting from the level of neediness, you know, of material needs, or whether you connect from the level, you know, of spiritualized level, right? When it's a form of surrender, but it's also a form of communication. Yes.

Dana Kippel (41:34.494)
Yeah, no, I love it.

Dana Kippel (41:41.646)
Oh, that's what I was going to say.

Dana Kippel (41:46.924)
News. Yes.

Dana Kippel (41:53.122)
That's what I was gonna say. You made me think of it. So when I've had my best communications, which are just, and I agree with you, I think everyone listening can do it. It is a mix, I would say, of images and feelings. Like almost like not feelings like.

Yes, emotions, but it's almost just like this knowing feeling. So I, you know, I'll see full out movies in my head. Like for instance, once I was visiting the middle of the moon and I saw a blue monkey and they dropped a key down my throat. And then I bathed in this like crystal bath. Like all this stuff was happening. And it was more like what I received the message that it's more about what the meanings are about what's happening and the meaning I'm creating than the actual symbols, if that makes sense. And I think it's what you're saying. And I think because it

Dr Joanna Kujawa (42:33.503)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (42:38.768)
It seemed so much like a dream. Most people discount those things, but I think it's so important to be cognizant of the images and feelings we're having when we're in that expanded state because they are all messages. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (42:50.741)
Absolutely. Absolutely. you know, if it's sometimes too difficult for us to believe, you can ask, okay, give me an external proof. You know, you can communicate with us because, know, like from that point of view, you know, what else do you want? Right? Like we are communicating and give me an external proof. I even didn't ask for it, but for me, the proof was my mother who suddenly out of the blue tells me she met Baba Yaga. Right? I mean, talking about coincidences, right? Like, so.

Dana Kippel (43:00.462)
Mmm. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (43:14.592)
Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. that's so magic. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (43:21.207)
Yeah, it is a pure magic. Yes. So this is like four chapters in the book that explain this because it's not complex, but you know, you have to understand how it actually works. All esoteric traditions actually talk about this form of intelligence. So for example, even in kind of traditional Christianity that, you know, any Christian who has studied theology would know is called the intellectual, which is basically grasping. Then, you know, there's intuition in common language.

Dana Kippel (43:23.66)
It is.

Dana Kippel (43:31.277)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (43:39.704)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (43:45.74)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (43:51.094)
right? So there are these things, it's Satori in Zen.

Dana Kippel (43:55.542)
Yes, yeah, there's so many.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (43:55.76)
And it's basically God's consciousness, it's kind of immediate knowing and you cannot your reason wave through this. I'm sorry, Elon and some art form and you know, you're not getting anywhere, you can fly around and you're not getting anywhere. Yeah, you're still on the first level of wrong identification. Although some of them may have some good intentions, some of them I think are pure evil.

Dana Kippel (44:00.706)
Mm-hmm. No.

Everyone else. Yeah. It's all material. No, it's so f- Yeah. Yeah.

Sure. Yeah. I think so too. I Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (44:25.713)
But we are still on the first level of pure material understanding, wrong identification.

Dana Kippel (44:33.452)
That's I feel like I'm going to give you a big compliment, but people like you are so genius. you know, genius is, you are genius, but also you're just connected to that space, right? That everyone can connect to and you're just more open to it. I feel like...

If everyone had what you're saying and sometimes what I feel like I have, I feel like this world would be such a beautiful place because you can't do anything evil. Like even if your mind thinks that you just don't have the heart to do those things. And I think that everything you're saying is so much more beneficial. And I think that is where our future is headed. And I think the media and everyone tries to steer the narrative that it's not heading in this more.

new sway of living, but I actually do think we'll head there, which is what I want to kind of talk about. And I'm going to jump around to that. on. Okay. Yeah, talk. Yes, please.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (45:31.311)
So if I can just elaborate. basically, they're like also daily choices because you think, oh, I don't want to say the mantra. I don't have the time to read your book, but daily choices. Where do you put your attention? Yeah. So for example, everybody and you know, like your podcaster, your filmmakers, they think, oh, if I just do some about some dark powers of the universe, I will get more views. Right. But make a different choice. You take a different turn. You take a turn towards the goddess. Right. Because you speak like, for example, your write up says, you know,

Dana Kippel (45:41.08)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (45:45.058)
Mmm.

Dana Kippel (45:52.279)
Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (46:01.288)
futurist but you're looking towards optimistic future, right? You're optimist, right? So this is the same thing like you could write a book that is really about dark, you know, dark aspects of life and it would sell really, really well, right? Or you get so many views. So you have to, we basically have to turn away from this, turn in the different direction and sometimes, and this is my best advice that I ever gave to myself, if you don't know where to go, go in the opposite direction that you

Dana Kippel (46:06.402)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (46:13.336)
Mm. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (46:22.657)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (46:26.573)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (46:31.131)
normally go. I repeat it. If you don't know what to do and you are at the crossroads, go where you normally wouldn't go. Because where you're going now, it will just be more of the same. So let's say...

Dana Kippel (46:32.749)
Dana Kippel (46:43.038)
I love that.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (46:44.311)
So just go in a different direction and then you know the energy will meet you there. Just don't do take a different turn, take a different turn. You don't have to know where just take a different turn. That's the best thing that you can do. And these are tiny daily choices from minute to minute, you know, which podcasts are you going to listen to? You know,

Dana Kippel (46:46.86)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (46:52.705)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (47:01.587)
Mm-hmm. Mm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (47:05.249)
make these choices, right? And go in the different direction. You don't even have to know where you're going. And that's the best way. The energy will meet you there, you know, because we are so complex, you know, and we are so screwed up in so many ways, you know.

Dana Kippel (47:09.644)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (47:20.29)
I know we are. I want to ask, can I ask you a personal question? I think it might help people too.

So right now I'm at a crossroads and I decided I've been at my mom's for a year in Florida because I had to live with her when I was writing my book. I couldn't put my focus anywhere else. And now I'm moving to Portland, which is something I never thought I would do, but also my soul is calling me there. And I'm starting like an online school where I'm going to teach stuff kind of like what you're talking about, just like more divine feminine magic. And I feel all this pressure to make it amazing. And I'm forgetting

like the fun of it. So I don't know if you're gonna channeling or whatever, but can you just speak on like, do you feel like that, that is the opposite for me? And it's like spirit kind of meets you there? Or like, what would you say about everything I just said, because I'm at the crossroads.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (48:10.766)
it.

Okay, so there are couple of things. So first of all, spirit or energy will meet you there. Second of all, it's good that you want to make it wonderful, but don't focus on it. You make it wonderful. I'll you from my experience because I'm older, right? Just from just age perspective. It is that everything that you did before is preparing for this moment now. know, writing of this book, wanting to do this courses. So you already have the skills. You don't have to want to make it beautiful. You make it beautiful because I see your shorts, they're already beautiful. You know, I

Dana Kippel (48:16.845)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (48:21.879)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (48:32.686)
Hmm.

Dana Kippel (48:37.026)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (48:41.936)
appreciate your shorts like that, I just don't have a space. So you just focus on what you want to do because you already know how. You already have it.

Dana Kippel (48:41.949)
thank you. my God. Yeah.

Okay, agree and that's really good advice.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (48:54.122)
Like I was asking, can I give a specific example? I was asking myself a question because I was, you know, spent so many decades, you know, to be an academic. Then I dreamt all of this time to be a literary writer and I, you know, got some recognition as a literary writer. And then I moved towards this direction that, know, is a different direction. And then I thought, but this is exactly, I know how to write beautifully. You understand, I know how to research independently. So this was preparing me for doing

Dana Kippel (48:57.015)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (49:01.933)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (49:07.244)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (49:11.424)
Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Dana Kippel (49:23.542)
Yeah, for this.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (49:24.056)
this you know wild thing like writing this two books the same you've been prepared and this goes for anyone who wants to do anything else everything you've done into this point prepared you for this move to Portland Oregon and doing the course you don't focus on the course to be magnificent what do you want to convey in this course and it will naturally be beautiful because you already a beautiful you know create beautiful things visually

Dana Kippel (49:27.54)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (49:38.295)
Mmm.

Dana Kippel (49:50.028)
Aw, thank you.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (49:50.808)
That's true, that is actually true. There is no need to focus on technicalities of this because you already good at it. So now you ask to take it, so this is the divine choice, for a purpose.

Dana Kippel (49:58.658)
Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yep. I'm writing this down. Okay. All right. And one more human question before I go on to Are you okay for like 30 more minutes or are you getting tired? Okay.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (50:15.343)
I'm sure I did.

Dana Kippel (50:17.294)
Do you have periods where there is not this magic, where you're not in kind of like what you were saying, these really beautiful experiences, because I'll have them too and then I'll have months without them. I think that's normal, but I'm curious, how do you handle those times where you're not, not even as connected, but you're not having those like magical experiences or is this now an everyday thing for you?

Dr Joanna Kujawa (50:40.875)
No, everybody has it. Doesn't matter how evolved you are. know, everybody has this moments. And then what you have to do, you have to have faith. But what does it Faith? You do your practices. Okay, you call upon this and you meditate upon this and it will eventually come to you. So for example, in Hindu tradition, there is this beautiful example of goddess Radha. So she is just, so you become a longing, you know, and you enjoy the

Dana Kippel (51:04.302)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (51:09.792)
Hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (51:10.769)
longing, you know, and it's like you ask your beloved to reveal yourself to me and why are you torturing me? You know, you can play like a lover if you want or you can be a yogi, you know, okay, I'm meditating, you're not coming now, but maybe tomorrow you come. So, depends on your constitution, you can just sit and be still, which is very masculine approach. This is what my husband does, you know, he just sits and he, know, until it comes to him, if it takes six months, it takes six months, you know, he's

Dana Kippel (51:19.756)
Dana Kippel (51:27.37)
Dana Kippel (51:34.797)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (51:39.736)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (51:40.642)
Or you can do it like, oh baby, why did you leave me? I'm here, what can I do? So you can play the lover. So it doesn't matter because the energy will come to you in any way. it is this kind of, there is this divine play in esoteric tradition. is this divine play and union versus separation. It's like two lovers, union and separation. And after each separation, there is a higher union or a different aspect of this union.

Dana Kippel (51:47.446)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (51:54.123)
Okay.

Yes.

Dana Kippel (52:01.902)
you

Dana Kippel (52:07.566)
Mmm. I agree.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (52:10.545)
If you have a good spiritual guru or a teacher, they will tell you do not get attached to the high of spiritual experiences, to the lights in your consciousness, to the beautiful images, because it is just the beginning.

Dana Kippel (52:28.056)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (52:28.365)
You know, you have to let it go because then you can actually experience higher level union rather than like, no, no, I want the lights in my mind. You know, I want to see a blue pearl or, know, yes. Now maybe you've been given this and now you're being prepared for different experience, but first you have to let go of this experience of the energy or of the spirit. was just. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (52:33.389)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (52:36.918)
Hmm.

Dana Kippel (52:46.902)
Yes, I-

Dana Kippel (52:51.212)
That is...

No, sorry, that's an amazing point. And I'm kind of that's like where I'm at right now is learning to let go because my first three years, I would say this started when I was 30. I mean, when I was a kid, too, but when I was 30, it started again. And I'm 36 now. I had three years of experiences like you were saying, just synchronicity after synchronicity, beautiful visions, you know, all the ideas for my book. And then all of sudden, like two years ago, I just felt like I was in this dark tunnel. Like I knew it was still there, but it just like was a different experience. And

And even the voice told me, you're integrating, you're expanding, you're learning to embody, like you need this time to almost learn how to attach to yourself so you don't spiritual bypass. But still it's like, I just wanna have those experiences again. And you're reminding me, no, like I have to let those go and maybe let even new more magical ones happen that I'm still grasping for when I shouldn't grasp.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (53:34.734)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (53:48.624)
I just remember the English expression is the dark night of the soul. This is the dark night of the soul. And this is when you are in this dark matter, right? You are actually, this is a powerful field of exploration, you know, and you can either call upon this energy or you can feel like you are becoming this energy, you know, and just sit. It is like sitting in a cave and meditating, you know, but you cannot have expectation that this will happen.

Dana Kippel (53:53.056)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (53:59.48)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (54:04.312)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (54:18.637)
way, you know. It will happen anyway it is supposed to happen and that's sometimes very difficult to accept. But the first thing is to let go of expectation that you know now synchronicities, now beautiful lights in my head, it may be a completely different and you have to be open to this because you have to keep your doors of perceptions has to be open and actually it is a gospel of Thomas in esoteric teachings, right? So the doors of perceptions has to stay open.

Dana Kippel (54:19.598)
Mmm.

Dana Kippel (54:23.47)
Mmm.

Dana Kippel (54:41.078)
Mm hmm. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (54:48.507)
have to be cleansed. And this is how you're your doors of perception by cleansing yourself of expectation of how in particular this will happen.

Dana Kippel (54:48.587)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (54:58.23)
Okay, that reminds me of systems theory and science because in systems theory, I think the more like open and expansive

Like there's always this thing called an attractor, which is like your essence yourself. And the more like coherent and open you are and in a state of play and heart, the more options you can see. Like the more constricted you are, even though it eventually will get maybe back to that attractor, or it can actually bounce to a new attractor, which is where you get, you know, thrown off by your focus gets pulled away, right? And then you almost become someone else. When yeah, so as long as like you don't constrict your consciousness,

into like having one outcome, which sometimes I've done. If you're open, like what? Yeah, okay. Everyone does it. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (55:41.002)
everybody does it here. So this is exactly, can I give like a very practical example, right? Because I give lots of talks and so on and so on. So for example, if when I am, I have to be prepared, you know, because it's not my first language and so on. And I like to have a research behind me and so on. So it's not just downloads, but I have to, part of me has to stay open, has to stay open because if not, I can have a perfect lecture and there is no energy within.

Dana Kippel (55:52.268)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (56:01.102)
Mm.

Dana Kippel (56:09.39)
Mmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (56:09.567)
Nobody got anything out of this. It is just technically good.

Dana Kippel (56:12.225)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (56:14.625)
And this is when you over prepare and you restrict your consciousness. So I don't know the scientific theory, that's your strength. But from my experience, I am prepared, I'm open and when I say enough, if I make a mistake, I make a mistake. Or if somebody asks a question, don't know, say, will check it for you. Thank you for your question. Because now I let it flow. And when there is a passion, there is an energy and I see that people are getting this energy from, you know, through me, from somewhere else. And there is just blah, blah, blah.

Dana Kippel (56:21.102)
Mmm.

Dana Kippel (56:25.646)
Hmm.

Dana Kippel (56:32.269)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (56:42.892)
Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (56:44.559)
blah blah blah blah blah. That's right, so this is the experience. So this is probably what you say from a scientific point of view. Do not constrict. Sometimes over preparing or I want to make it a beautiful course, you know, like it has to be fantastic. know, when you cannot do a fantastic course, you know what mean? I know.

Dana Kippel (56:46.614)
Yeah, something's coming through you. That's how I feel.

Dana Kippel (56:55.661)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (57:02.51)
Ugh.

Dana Kippel (57:06.683)
Ugh, I know. God. The drama of myself. It is just so funny.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (57:11.927)
I can be a drama queen to ask my husband, you know.

Dana Kippel (57:13.87)
Yeah, yeah, I am. think, you know what it is, I think what all I need to do is like reach out for support more like to people like you and I know people like you are busy obviously, but like I feel like that's one thing and I'm curious for you too, because you've had maybe gurus or teachers. I my whole life have kind of had this, you know, little story that I'm working on getting rid of that I struggle finding support. I'm scared to ask for help, you know, because of my own mother wounds. So I'm curious like how have you grown in your journey?

Dr Joanna Kujawa (57:22.479)
See you.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (57:40.077)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (57:43.824)
and how do you accept support?

Dr Joanna Kujawa (57:47.576)
Okay, so that's a very interesting question. I also have a difficulty asking for help.

Yes, and I have a friend who actually told me yesterday, just meditate on the Devi, because she's always in complete surrender. And I you don't understand, I have to be responsible for everything. I go from my personal drama. But I am learning how to accept help. Let's put it this way. And I actually had the answer for this, but now I lost it in my narrative. But we all have this, we all have this wounds.

Dana Kippel (58:03.118)
I'm

Dana Kippel (58:10.402)
Yeah

Dana Kippel (58:15.182)
Mmm.

Dana Kippel (58:23.436)
Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (58:23.895)
and a little bit of surrender will go a long way. But what was your original question? Because I actually had an answer for it.

Dana Kippel (58:30.57)
like how do you ask, how do you find yourself asking for support or how do you come to terms with the fact that you're worthy of support or like, just how do you get out of your own stewing in your own mind and like,

Dr Joanna Kujawa (58:41.921)
Okay, I have an inner saying that says I love and accept myself not because I am perfect.

Dana Kippel (58:45.89)
Ahem.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (58:51.031)
You understand that I love and accept myself because you know, it's been an interesting journey. I really do my best under the circumstances. you understand? Everybody's circumstances are different. So I just say, I'm accepting myself as I am now. And I say, create for me as I am now. And I will do my best.

Dana Kippel (59:03.608)
Mm-hmm.

Hmm.

Dana Kippel (59:10.974)
Mm. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (59:13.545)
I don't have to be perfect. And actually perfection is again, think a very masculine term. I don't have to be I accept myself. it's basically about you making yourself feel good without even asking anybody. It's good to ask for help. I think sometimes you can argue with the goddess, you know what, I did my best. Now you do something for this book because I'm doing everything. You can be passionate about it. It's okay. And you say, I know.

Dana Kippel (59:19.552)
I agree, yeah.

Dana Kippel (59:28.22)
Hmm. I agree.

Dana Kippel (59:36.5)
Yeah. Okay. I like that. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (59:43.599)
I've done my best under the circumstances, you know, because this is also very kind of tricky. You say, I've done my best and they say, she's done better. Yes, but her circumstances were very different. You know what I mean?

Dana Kippel (59:54.668)
You're right. That's so, I love that you just said that because I don't remember, I was in Montana last year and I remember I was frustrated with the way my life was going and this one guy like had taken a few days to pay me and I was like, God, like why do people always take advantage of me? And then all of sudden in the shower, I just had the thought, you know what? No, I claim that my life's gonna be different. And it was almost like I did have this like raw moment because we're not taught this. We're taught to be polite and we're taught to like have this ritual.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:00:22.734)
Okay.

Dana Kippel (01:00:24.592)
and everything needs to be perfect. And I did argue with the goddess. I was like, no, I'm claiming this and this is annoying me and I'm gonna... And then the second I got out of the shower, he had paid me. And so I think that's beautiful what you said because it's... Like, unconstrict our consciousness. Like, let ourselves be more feminine and unravel men and women and express ourselves more. Don't be so uptight.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:00:34.315)
Yeah, you still look bright.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:00:49.635)
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That's right. And I'm learning also, you know, I'm not a victim. That's a very good affirmation because we are all in this victimhood, you know, like why this happens to me? Why people don't pay me? Why they take advantage? And then we reaffirm it, know, and this is not true. I'm not a victim. And if you, know, my mind, I'm not a victim, stop this stupid tape. Okay. So tired of it. Go away. You know, so it's basically not only even about asking for help, but stopping that stupid tape in our minds.

Dana Kippel (01:00:54.964)
Yes. Yes.

Dana Kippel (01:01:01.996)
And it's not about that.

Dana Kippel (01:01:06.446)
Yeah. Totally. It's yes. Go. Yeah.

Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:01:21.259)
that is you know some old conditioning god knows could be ancestral even you know

Dana Kippel (01:01:21.589)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:01:26.358)
I think it is, for me I think it's like being helpless served me when I was a child, like it's how I got attention and it's like that like princess woman story of like, the princess needs the prince and like it really is true and I tell, I try to argue with my mind a lot. It's like, I'm not a victim no matter what I've been through. That's not an excuse.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:01:35.705)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:01:45.996)
to go through life saying, poor me or like, I can't get this. Like, no, reach out and claim it, be your best self and like, try to at least live your dreams. Like, why not, right?

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:01:48.728)
Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:01:55.696)
Yeah, that's right. And this is when I get this poor me voice. I said, this is so boring, you know, I've heard it for a while. You want to torment me, find something more exciting because frankly, I'm not listening to this BS. You know, you have to argue because, you know, they are almost like...

Dana Kippel (01:02:08.27)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:02:13.999)
I had a spiritual teacher who called it tearing faults. You know, like just your own mind attacking you. And you have to say, here you come again. yeah, So we are our worst enemies, but we can turn it around. Like, no, I don't believe you.

Dana Kippel (01:02:19.16)
What's?

yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:02:25.504)
Yeah, that's so funny.

Dana Kippel (01:02:31.857)
Mmm, I agree.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:02:32.335)
You know, and for me it was a big one because I was very ambitious. I don't have to be famous. I don't have to be this. You know, I still accept myself. I've done my best. You know, I love what I do. I'm not going to live up to anybody's expectations anymore because maybe I was not a princess, but I felt always responsible for everything since my childhood because how my childhood happened. So this is a big thing for me because I feel always responsible for everything.

Dana Kippel (01:02:40.322)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (01:02:43.916)
Mm-hmm

Dana Kippel (01:02:51.511)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:02:55.969)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:03:02.299)
And then I think that, you know.

Dana Kippel (01:03:02.51)
Mmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:03:05.039)
maybe good things happen to me. This is actually a good affirmation, good things happen to me. I don't have to be responsible all the time. It's good to be responsible, but there is this really good in Vedanta, there is this very good quote which says, because people don't know what is letting go. And I actually asked one the great spiritual guru and I found it in the scriptures as well. So what is letting go and surrendering? It's not like, oh, I will lie down

Dana Kippel (01:03:12.226)
Mm-hmm.

I agree.

Dana Kippel (01:03:21.187)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (01:03:25.922)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:03:30.451)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:03:34.946)
on the couch and you know maybe somebody will save me which is the princess thing. No, you do your best and then you surrender. This is what she told me, you do your best and then you surrender. Like you and I with these books, we did our best under the circumstances, you know, and now we can surrender. You know, I can organize some interviews, somebody invites me like you, know, and I do my best still, but really I have to surrender the resolve.

Dana Kippel (01:03:43.63)
you

Dana Kippel (01:03:50.177)
Yes.

I agree.

Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:04:00.8)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:04:04.849)
And there is another very good saying that no good effort goes unpunished, which is the opposite of we are being told. Somebody is manipulating our thinking system processes because we are saying no, actually.

Dana Kippel (01:04:15.607)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:04:22.061)
The law of karma is also good karma. If you did your best, the fruits of your work will come into blossoming. You just don't know how. You don't just know when. Because now you let go and surrender. Because you've done everything already that you could. You know what I mean? And then I think, okay, so now I can surrender. All I can do is do an interview, you know.

Dana Kippel (01:04:25.25)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (01:04:32.524)
I agree.

Dana Kippel (01:04:40.514)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:04:46.818)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:04:47.343)
to some people and it is okay that some people will not interview me because some people just look how many followers you have, here's your book on New York Times bestsellers and then even...

Dana Kippel (01:04:53.366)
Yeah, I've had that too.

Dana Kippel (01:05:00.311)
Yeah.

Yeah, that's why I got rejected. They were like, it's not in Barnes and Noble or Osh. For me, it's like she doesn't have the degree and I'm just like.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:05:11.459)
Well, if it makes you feel better, have four degrees and I still get rejection, right? So, so it doesn't matter. So you see what I'm saying. If somebody doesn't want to, and I have learned actually, actually from my dating years, you know, I have dating years. I'm sorry.

Dana Kippel (01:05:15.15)
Yeah. So crazy.

I, yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:05:27.372)
Yeah. Rejection, let me guess. Is it for, think I might agree with you, but me from dating too, that rejection is protection. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:05:38.704)
No, that could be, but also like I think there was this podcaster and he said immediately, know, big UFO podcaster, but yes, yes, I'm really interested. Mostly probably because of my degrees, because some people, you know, respond to it and they're like my armor, you know, everybody has an armor, right? And, and then he stood me up. I had to wake up at four o'clock in the morning, my time, because he's in the US and then only later he says, there are some issues with this and that. I couldn't then can we set another

Dana Kippel (01:05:51.382)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:06:03.246)
you

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:06:08.707)
date and I sent him an email and he has not responded so I don't know maybe he still has issues in his personal life but from my dating years from long long time ago you know I thought you know don't go where you're not wanted you know so okay maybe a month from now I can write when I'm completely relaxed about it are we still doing it or you're not interested that's cool with me I'm moving on I just want to make sure you received my emails bye

Dana Kippel (01:06:15.373)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:06:21.844)
Yeah. Bye.

Dana Kippel (01:06:30.53)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:06:36.194)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:06:36.303)
Okay, but this is rather than like, you know, but I really have something interesting to say. No, I know I have something interesting to say. If you don't have time for me, I understand. If you go through life issues, I understand too, but you know, I'm not your mother. I'm not your girlfriend. You know, I would just go. Yeah. So.

Dana Kippel (01:06:40.982)
Yeah, I... Same. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:06:49.332)
Yeah. Yeah. I've noticed that I feel like, like I can see your magic so clearly. Like I see your wild success in the near future. I really do. Like

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:07:02.575)
Thank

Dana Kippel (01:07:02.848)
I do, I see it so apparent though that I really do, like I need you to know that and some people just don't see your magic because they don't have that expanded consciousness. They might just not be in the same resonance as you where they, know, I get discounted all the time and it's really nice. I'm not for revenge, I know you're not either, but it is really nice when you start gaining some success and you're like, ha ha.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:07:10.371)
Thank you.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:07:30.167)
Yeah, of course it's nice, you know, and it's only human to want it, right? It's only human, but not to be dependent on it. Do you know what I mean? So this is like my conversation with the Goddess of energy is right now. Look, I really did everything for this book. I did everything I could for the other book and I'm happy to serve more and work with you more. But if nothing happens, I'm sorry I cannot continue doing it like that because I have to prepare.

Dana Kippel (01:07:33.838)
Yeah.

No, no, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:07:45.518)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (01:07:53.268)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it needs to bring you some money. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:07:59.502)
Yeah, and I'm juggling my academic career. I am juggling this. support my family. Something has to happen. Otherwise, I cannot do this work. And that's OK. You know, like I would like to. But again, I'm not going to victimize myself. Right. So.

Dana Kippel (01:08:09.014)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:08:15.008)
Yeah, I agree. I feel the same way. I kind of said the same thing recently to what I would call plasma or the divine feminine. was like, okay, I'm gonna do the school. I'm not attaching to the monetary outcome, but I won't be able to pay my rent if it doesn't do well. So I'm gonna have to go back to waitressing. So like, you know, either I commit to this and you know, I hope you know, this works because you're channeling this through me or else you know, I can't do this any but I really I have faith that it will work out for you and me and

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:08:32.664)
Amazing.

Dana Kippel (01:08:43.84)
Everything is great. Yes, I do. Okay, I have two more questions and then we can wrap up with my end questions. Okay, okay, here's a good one. People are so fascinated with AI and machines. We have talked about how they're kind of projected exterior displays of the inner mechanics we are capable of.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:08:44.079)
That's wonderful. Yeah, that's wonderful. Thank you for having this. Yes.

Dana Kippel (01:09:06.098)
And it is once removed from us because most technology people fear their inner power, I think. Encountering our inner power, our magic, our inner Baba Yaga seems to be connected deeply to fear and terror. Do you have anything to speak on this?

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:09:24.193)
Okay, that's a lot. I don't know how.

Dana Kippel (01:09:26.102)
I know. Speak on the fear and terror we encounter when we kind of discover our power or expanded consciousness states. Because a lot of people encounter terror and fear.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:09:35.619)
Okay.

That's actually a good question and it's easy to answer because I experienced the stairwell when was probably about your age when I had a spiritual awakening and I was initiated and I had like a out of space experience and it was in front of lots of people you know because it was like a big room of people who were getting initiated and I got just like blown away the space collapsed on me then the room became like endless then I started to have kriyas

Dana Kippel (01:09:41.528)
Okay.

Dana Kippel (01:09:45.624)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (01:09:50.371)
Hmm

Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:10:07.441)
when I started to cry for the universe, when I started to laugh, everything completely uncontrollable, know, like and I had, you know, uncontrollable, right? And then I thought, okay, so this happened and it was just blows your mind, okay? It blows your mind because you just, would never put myself through something like that in front of all of these people, right? I'm not an actress. And then my life collapsed.

Dana Kippel (01:10:14.101)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (01:10:27.394)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (01:10:33.262)
Mm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:10:34.241)
Okay, so there is this fear because you think, okay, now I'm completely naked. I just finished my PhD and instead of progressing on my career, I actually lost my job at that stage. I had no money. Like I had no money to pay for rent. I thought, okay, here we go, you know, all the negative things. And fortunately I was in a situation a little bit like you're not a mother, but a friend, an elderly friend led me to stay in his place, you know, because he needed company. So they don't put him into a, you know, home.

Dana Kippel (01:10:39.278)
Mm.

Dana Kippel (01:11:03.821)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:11:04.419)
And then he gave me a room. And what I did, because I was so complete and I was holding on, you know, like a drowning person, the person that rescue them to all of this, because I realized that academia and academic success was for me mother and father, because when my life collapsed as a child, that gave me...

Dana Kippel (01:11:06.446)
you

Dana Kippel (01:11:13.262)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:11:28.105)
something and gave me recognition and I became a smart girl, you know, so I was not the poor girl, but you know, like so. And so what I did, because I had the space, thank you Rob, who is now gone, you know, and I meditated all the time.

Dana Kippel (01:11:35.437)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:11:41.676)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:11:47.042)
I meditated all the time and I had one friend who didn't give up on me and with the little money that I had, every morning I got up, took a tram, was a different part of the city. We had a coffee before she went to work and a nice muffin. And then I came back and I meditated and meditated and meditated, you know, like, and listening to mantra and, you know, and so on. And it was very painful and it actually took a few years.

Dana Kippel (01:12:00.46)
Mm-hmm

Dana Kippel (01:12:14.914)
Yeah, that's what I just went through.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:12:17.165)
Yeah. And then things started to come. In fact, suddenly, I was like staying in an ashram, you know, washing toilets, because this is what the Guru asked me to do, in complete ecstasy, in complete ecstasy, you know. So I knew that energy was working because, you know, he has a PhD and they put me on purpose there to work on my ego, right? But I was in complete ecstasy washing toilets. And, you know, and the friend sent me a message, you know, my uni is looking for this and that. So I just asked her.

Dana Kippel (01:12:27.766)
Mm-hmm. Well...

Dana Kippel (01:12:38.49)
my gosh.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:12:47.119)
I use a computer and I said, da, da, da, a message. Didn't hear for a month. And then a message comes, tomorrow, are you coming? Apparently I got the job.

Dana Kippel (01:12:53.966)
Well

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:12:58.433)
When I completely just focus on, you know, working on my demands and move the impact into an ashram and so on. And then from this, you know, now I'm a tenured academic, which is like it's senior lecture in America to be a professor. You understand because I'm tenured and so on. But it happened kind of by itself. I didn't even apply for a job. Okay. And it took care of my personal needs, not, not anymore accomplishment or anything, but fine.

Dana Kippel (01:13:03.5)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (01:13:11.245)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:13:27.39)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Wow.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:13:28.337)
financial. So this is you have to see through your fear.

You have to look into it, you know, why am I so fearful? What is my power? It's not only my power, but you know, what is my power? What is my, and you know, don't, you don't, and you surrender, you know, you ask the question, you remember you do your part, ask a question and surrender and sit in this and create your, divine space for you. And if space is provided that you actually for a while that you can do this, do this. And eventually you have an opportunity to, you know, to pay your bills at the very least.

Dana Kippel (01:13:47.66)
Mm-hmm

Dana Kippel (01:14:05.134)
Okay, yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:14:05.809)
You understand? But for me it was very gradual. And it happens because when you have a spiritual awakening you are completely rewired. But can I just give a warning? Last warning. Because some people say, okay, I met one woman who said she had a law degree, she hated it, she had a spiritual awakening and she says, I'm moving with my mother and I'm never moving out. And I said, does she want to support you for the rest of your life? And she said, no, but she doesn't have a choice. That's not a spiritual choice.

Dana Kippel (01:14:14.966)
Yeah. Yes, yes.

you

Dana Kippel (01:14:34.37)
Yes, that's why I'm moving out of my mom's because I'm being, yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:14:36.059)
Yeah, temporarily okay, like Rob helped me, know, your mom helped you, but eventually you're making a spiritual bypass. Yeah, so I always say...

Dana Kippel (01:14:39.884)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:14:44.022)
I agree.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:14:47.639)
you know, do what you need to do and pay your bills, you know, because then you claim your power, you know, I'm not a victim, you know, I'm not a little girl anymore, you know, and so, okay, you know, like even waitressing, you know, it's I used to be waitress when I was at the uni, I was connecting with people, it was lovely, just my ambition made it wrong, because I said, you know, I don't want to be an old waitress, you know, me, but I enjoyed that. And then it takes you somewhere else. It's just

Dana Kippel (01:14:50.744)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:14:54.74)
Exactly. Yes. Yes.

Dana Kippel (01:15:07.244)
Yeah, yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:15:11.36)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:15:17.553)
So this is it and just look into your fear, sit with this and eventually it moves because nothing is stable in the universe and you, know, in science you would know, know, nothing is static, right?

Dana Kippel (01:15:29.141)
I agree.

No, I think everything you said was amazing. I think it's going to help a lot of people too. Okay, let me go to, I want to make sure I ask you everything. that's cause you have so much interesting answers. Okay, let's see. I feel like this is

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:15:41.088)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:15:48.374)
A good one. I'll tell you one connection I made really quick with Baba Yaga and plasma. So for everyone who doesn't know plasma is an ionized gas. It is the fourth state of matter. But I say that plasma is a multi-dimensional living ether. It is like the divine feminine or female God and consciousness is like the divine masculine. Plasma is not conscious, but it is the vehicle for consciousness. When you say Baba Yaga's food is her cells,

both human and non-human. I was able to relate it to plasma because plasma is in our human blood as blood plasma and it is the blood of the universe as space plasma. It makes 99.9 % of the universe. So I thought there was just something interesting there that maybe you could just meditate on for the future. Where, yeah, I just thought it was interesting. Just a weird connection for my plasma people listening.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:16:37.112)
Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:16:42.829)
Yeah, it is correct. And it's really interesting, you know, because I go into mythology and visions, right? When you go into science and it's beautiful when these things meet. And this is actually a beautiful example of what really needs to happen, not only individually, but collectively, that this feminine form of knowledge meets science and science meets this, because at the moment, you know, this is not being respected, this feminine side is not being respected. And that's why we end up with, you know, open AI,

Dana Kippel (01:16:47.927)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:16:52.224)
Yes.

Dana Kippel (01:16:58.178)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:17:03.688)
I have chills.

Dana Kippel (01:17:11.758)
Mmm.

Dana Kippel (01:17:15.818)
Okay. So that leads into my next question. So basically the school I'm creating is the feminine side of science. So it is almost like the science of consciousness, the science of higher consciousness or the science of the invisible. And I'm trying to bring the feminine to science by talking about plasma. Cause I don't know if you know this, but in science, plasma has been suppressed. No one learns about it in school, but it makes up our entire universe.

And they're only using it right now for like nuclear fusion or technology. So what I'm trying to envision a future for ourselves is learning how to almost coagulate this matter and have real technology that's not machinery, but it almost like synergizes with our consciousness. Like it's like supportive sentient energy. That's how I see our future. So that leads into my question for you is and that's kind of like my whole purpose here, right? To kind of bring the feminine back to science.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:18:05.316)
Mm.

Dana Kippel (01:18:14.896)
So my question for you and is there obvious it is our last call for humanity we feel like right with AI and the upcoming machinery revolution that I hope doesn't happen. How can we co-create an optimistic healed and fresh future for ourselves? If thoughts create things, the more this will get into people's awareness, the better.

We are always telling ourselves stories and letting them play out anyway. So how can we tell a new story and what is that story you envision?

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:18:50.071)
Okay, so how can we, so we are already, you and I are doing this and hopefully other people as well, right? So you're doing it for a different approach towards science, which I was completely unaware, I must say, so thank you for your work, you know, and I'm doing it through connection with ancient mythologies because this is what I was called to do, you know, and my education led me to this. So, so reinterpreting for me, it's really, each of us has, there's no one singular narrative. You want to revolutionize science, so to speak, and I am reinterpreting ancient myths which were completely

Dana Kippel (01:18:53.612)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:19:07.342)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:19:16.824)
Mm-hmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:19:20.165)
in my opinion misunderstood. So we just have to be happy with doing a part because it will somehow...

Dana Kippel (01:19:20.408)
Yeah. Totally.

Yeah. Mmm.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:19:30.315)
it will somehow get into collective consciousness. even if, and I'm a little bit less optimistic than you are, even if, you know, we have to, I don't think we can get rid of AI, you know, and it will develop, even if we have to communicate this and so on. So I tell people two things, don't give up your sovereignty, never worship it. Don't worship anything, you know, never worship it. So sovereignty and discernment, be careful, you know, be respectful.

Dana Kippel (01:19:38.167)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:19:44.354)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:19:52.792)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (01:19:58.638)
Mmm

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:20:00.162)
respectful but be careful, don't buy into the hype, right? And remember that it is within you and any great spiritual teacher or even great beings, you know, from every religious tradition telling you it is within you. So just remember it is within me. It's not a neural link that is within you. It is what is your spirit that is within you. So we have to remember this. And just I can make a cautionary story here because I studied late Roman Empire in the Middle Ages.

Dana Kippel (01:20:07.309)
Hmm.

Dana Kippel (01:20:12.982)
Mm-hmm

Dana Kippel (01:20:19.372)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:20:30.105)
which is actually when one big empire was falling and new things were being created and I think we are at the stage actually, right, in our civilization. So I had to study works that survived the collapse, right? And it was quite interesting, you know, that the works that survived the collapse were not the famous works often, but the works that somehow the universe wanted to survive.

Dana Kippel (01:20:36.492)
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (01:20:42.926)
Mmm.

Dana Kippel (01:20:56.558)
the-

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:20:56.655)
So we don't know. So this is my small perhaps contribution. Perhaps it is your maybe we'll never get famous. I don't know. I want my book to do well. I put lots of effort to do well. But the truth is we already the matrix, whatever it is, is already injected with this and it's already injected with your book.

Dana Kippel (01:21:05.709)
Ha

Yeah. Yes.

Dana Kippel (01:21:18.478)
Mmm. Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:21:20.747)
And now we've done our part. It is exactly. And it is doing its work.

Dana Kippel (01:21:23.222)
Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:21:26.831)
Do you understand? And this is where we have to surrender. You know what I mean? Because we don't know. You know, like I didn't know that's a fantastic story that you shared that there was this beautiful woman driving through the United States and she actually had a podcast with my book, The Other Goddess. How would I know? And now we are connected, you see? So we have to believe in the magic of the divine feminine also. And we it's already there, you know?

Dana Kippel (01:21:26.934)
I agree. Let go. Yeah. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:21:46.028)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:21:56.738)
make a different turn. So I put this, you put that and that's our contribution and I don't know I hope we get rewards but if not we contribute to the matrix. you understand? The matrix is already you know like if you can think about computer practice you know like oh you are the divine virus baby you know what I mean? it's oh this is the books okay it has to really so it means that the trajectory is already changed.

Dana Kippel (01:21:59.958)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:22:08.567)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:22:15.595)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:22:19.809)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:22:26.641)
And the most people, whoever you are, listening and so on, you're doing your thing, you know, not buying into this nonsense, you know, then, you know, but the matrix again, two like pathways are changing again. And each of us maybe has like a minute contribution. It doesn't matter, you know, eight billions of us, right?

Dana Kippel (01:22:27.373)
Yes.

Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:22:34.946)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:22:41.581)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:22:48.428)
Yeah, you're so, yes, and I needed to hear that. And I agree with everything you just said, and I thought it was beautiful. Yes, and I really hope everyone listening can hear that too.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:22:54.457)
Thank you.

Dana Kippel (01:23:01.42)
put your part in and surrender. And the most important part about AI, because I will agree, I don't think AI is going anywhere. I think it's just like the internet, it's going to grow and evolve. I, you know, I can't, I of course not going to disappear. But the more people that listen to this and learn to put their attention more on this divine feminine intelligence and your inner intelligence, maybe at least we can evolve that alongside AI and not put AI on a pedestal. Like, yeah, sure. You know, if you want to use it like the internet for

searches, whatever, you I've done that, you I've used AI for many things, never let, totally let it be supportive technology, but I think you'll agree never ever let it replace your ideas or intuition, that's what they're trying to do. And that I wouldn't, yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:23:33.046)
Yeah.

It's a technology, isn't it?

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:23:47.344)
Mm.

That's right, absolutely. And definitely don't go towards transhumanism because don't let yourself to be merged with a because you lose your soul. And we didn't speak about it, but in theological terms, you cannot lose your soul. So they have to trick you to giving it up and then they feed off it and then they feed off it because it's actually the hot stuff. So giving away the best part of yourself for what? Merging with a machine. So I just want to tell you where I'm at this in my life. So maybe it helps you. So I decided with the divine feminine, the

Dana Kippel (01:23:54.825)
Ugh.

Dana Kippel (01:23:59.118)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:24:03.916)
Yes.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:24:19.201)
the energy as I like to call it, you call it plasma, call it energy. And I said, okay, so I feel like it's like an old samurai in a way. You know, my sword is polished and you know, I'm happy to fight this fight for you. But you have to call upon me again and provide for me. If not, I'm happy just to sit with my sword on a wall. You know what I mean? But I am ready.

Dana Kippel (01:24:22.446)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:24:42.894)
Mmm, yeah. Me too.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:24:45.677)
Yes, but with great respect and love I'm ready, but I also have to be provided for, right? But if you want to pass this on to someone else, I don't know, Dana maybe, you know, that's fine with me too. You know what I mean? So, you know, so this is it. I am prepared, I am ready, but I don't know what is required or if anything more is required of me. So, you know, that's my divine service.

Dana Kippel (01:24:53.346)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:24:58.094)
No, we need it together.

Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:25:10.467)
Yeah.

Okay, well I'm going to end with a final question. How do you stay, well these are two parts. How do you stay heart centered and how do you choose light in the darkness?

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:25:26.703)
Although I have heart centered.

I think that because I'm such a passionate person, I don't have a choice, you know, I'm not even thinking about heart or brain. I'm thinking like it's my passion and my passion is using my brain. You know, I have a good mind and my passion is using it. So I'm actually being a little bit of a, like a wild child, you know? So what I'm so passionate about, I cannot not do. It would have been so much easier for me to write some boring academic book and I would progress to another level.

Dana Kippel (01:25:37.474)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:25:45.39)
Mm.

Mm.

Dana Kippel (01:25:53.783)
I love it.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:26:02.114)
I know, my academic career. And I couldn't do this, you know, because of my passion. So I just surrendered to my divine fire. you know, so I don't even think brain and heart. I think that's my divine fire and I cannot deny it, you know, and it takes me to life.

Dana Kippel (01:26:04.096)
Yeah. Same. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:26:14.968)
Yeah.

I love, okay, that's beautiful. How do you deal, two more questions. How do you deal with fear?

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:26:28.079)
I experience fear all the time. you know, how do I deal with affirmations, meditations, sometimes asking to help. So I am lucky because I have a partner who is very centered. So I ask him, is it real or am I imagining it? You know, because sometimes I am so, so he says, no, I can't imagine it or yeah, this is real.

Dana Kippel (01:26:45.94)
Yeah. I get that too.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:26:49.01)
I'm going crazy. But if it makes anyone feel better, I experience fear over time. And I think most people experience fear over time. The fear is financial, the fear is in my case, you know, I'm starting to age, you know, and there are all kinds of other fears. You know, my mother lives in a country, which is on the border with the war, and I have to go and visit her. And I'm really scared because, you know, they may close the borders when I'm visiting. I'm scared all the time.

Dana Kippel (01:26:55.342)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:27:03.746)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:27:15.982)
Ugh.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:27:16.995)
And it is okay because actually it was Osha I think who gave the definition. What is the definition of courage? Courage, you have to be courageous, brave. Courage is not that you're not afraid because if you're not afraid you're stupid. like you should be afraid. You better be afraid. If you go in dark, you know, in a park, you know, at night you should be scared. You are scared and you still do this. So you know, you have to, so sometimes there's no much

Dana Kippel (01:27:21.262)
you

Dana Kippel (01:27:32.866)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (01:27:38.424)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (01:27:42.39)
Yeah, I agree.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:27:46.544)
It's very difficult. I don't know how to get rid of completely. I think it's and do what is important. Don't do just bungee jumping or something unless it has a higher purpose for you of getting rid of some fear of heights or something. But use your, you understand? Use your courage to overcome this fear for something that actually matters.

Dana Kippel (01:27:49.314)
Yeah, I don't either.

Dana Kippel (01:27:59.694)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (01:28:08.994)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:28:09.175)
So I wouldn't do bungee jumping because I would use my courage to write this book, you know, and I don't want to by breaking my neck or something, right? That's right. Filthy and, you know, famous book, filthy and do it anyway,

Dana Kippel (01:28:14.176)
Yeah.

Same, literally same by the way. My bungee jumping was writing my book, cause I felt fear and I did it anyway and I'm sure you did too.

Yeah. Okay. Last question. And then I will outro you out and then we'll just chat for five minutes off camera and then I'll let you enjoy your life. Okay. What is something that comes up to say, just whatever comes to you when you think of candy for your soul? Something you can tell someone that feels like candy for their soul, comforting.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:28:51.865)
Candy for my soul. At this stage of my life, it is a sense of connection with nature, actually, for me. And you know when, because I used to be so brainy, so when I had an awakening, and they say there's always a seed, which is a special power that comes with awakening, I thought, now I'm going to be super brilliant. But no, actually, it went horizontally. I started to understand trees and animals. Okay?

Dana Kippel (01:29:21.015)
Whoa.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:29:21.057)
Like they speak to me. That's why probably Baba Yaga insisted to be in the book. So and I feel like we actually communicate. So this is the candy for my soul. You know, sometimes I wake up in the morning, you know, and I hear the first bird because I'm an early morning person. The first bird calling through the night, you know, and the dawn is just creeping. And I feel like so expanded.

Dana Kippel (01:29:37.356)
Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (01:29:42.082)
Mm.

Dana Kippel (01:29:48.726)
Yeah.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:29:49.273)
Suddenly everything is clear, not in a knowing, but just like I'm a part of the universe, you know,

So this is it. So for me it was the special gift, know, and a special gift is never what you think it is. You know what I mean? So nature and the fact that I feel like I understand it's painful because we treat nature very badly, you know? So it sometimes breaks my heart, but at least there's a two way communication. It knows I understand it's pain and it, we...

Dana Kippel (01:30:03.672)
Bye.

Dana Kippel (01:30:10.498)
I know.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:30:20.271)
we connect, you know, so this is a gift for myself that I am connected with this natural matrix and it somehow opened up to me and I'm extremely grateful.

Dana Kippel (01:30:22.166)
Yeah. I love it.

Dana Kippel (01:30:31.963)
so beautiful. Well, thank you so much. And please tell everyone where they can find you and your book, Alien Goddess, UFOs, AI and the Goddess of Ascension.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:30:42.093)
So the book is available on Amazon and other online shops, right? And in some bookstores in the US, but I wouldn't be able to tell you which ones because some of them, you know, have it. And I also have a website, which is my first name and my last name spelled together. So, and I have a public page, Facebook page, which is also my first name and my last name, which I know is very difficult to remember. And I have, thank you.

Dana Kippel (01:30:50.723)
Sure.

Dana Kippel (01:30:54.243)
Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Dana Kippel (01:31:01.57)
Okay.

Dana Kippel (01:31:05.486)
will link it. I will link it for everyone below.

Dr Joanna Kujawa (01:31:09.303)
And I have a small YouTube channel and I have a little bit of an Instagram, you know, so I do what I can. Right. So usual thing.

Dana Kippel (01:31:14.23)
Okay. Yeah. Everyone, please go follow her and send her to everyone you know, so we can get this book selling a million copies because

This everyone is so obsessed with AI guys right now. And this is like one of the most freshest, beautiful books on the soul and not even just anti AI, but how to take your power back. it's, it's just, it's so important to regain our natural intelligence. So thank you, Joanna, Joanna and everyone. Yes. Please follow the podcast and her on our socials, share this with your friends and check out more below. The link is in the description.

or the bio if you're watching on YouTube. Thank you guys. I love you guys and keep going. You are magic and everything you need is within you. Life is okay. Everything will be okay. All right. Thank you. Let me stop recording. Okay. Hold on. Stop.