Dr. Joseph Gallenberger: Psychokinesis, Choosing Light in the Darkness, & Liquid Luck

In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Joseph Gallenberger discusses the fascinating concepts of psychokinesis (telekinesis) and healing energy, emphasizing the importance of grounding and the transformative power of love over fear. He shares insights from his experiences at the Monroe Institute and his books, 'Inner Vegas' and 'Liquid Luck', illustrating how these principles can lead to personal growth and healing. The discussion also touches on practical strategies for letting go, embracing change, and navigating life's challenges with a heart-centered approach.

Heart Snacks Takeaways:

• Psychokinesis involves affecting matter with the mind, using heart energy as a driving force.
• Vegas serves as an ideal environment for testing psychokinesis due to its immediate feedback.
• Healing is about reaching one's full potential, not just alleviating physical symptoms.
• Grounding is essential for spiritual practice and involves being fully present in the body.
• Fear is a natural response that can be honored and transformed into love.
• Patience can enhance passion and lead to more fulfilling experiences.
• Letting go can lead to unexpected abundance.
• Happiness can be cultivated regardless of circumstances.
• Self-expression is crucial for mental health.
• The love we receive from spirit is immeasurable.

Joe's Links:

Website for Meditation downloads, Manifestation Course, & Inner Vegas Workshop: https://synccreation.com/

Joe’s Books: https://synccreation.com/books/ 

McSquared Program: https://www.monroeinstitute.org/products/mc-squared?srsltid=AfmBOorlUFEOS4Et3VGdZ4DL2ht_0_Wr_NI2iySKoTxjR-0oTxRKO3Xu 

Monroe Institute Programs: https://www.monroeinstitute.org/ 

Joe’s Interview on New Thinking Allowed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqz3fi_Ooj8 

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Transcript

Dana Kippel (00:00)
Okay, here we go. I am so excited to have Dr. Joseph Gallenberger as my guest today as we speak on psychokinesis, choosing light in the darkness and his books, Inner Vegas and Liquid Luck, which are some of my favorite books. ⁓ In this episode of Heart Snacks, we sit down with Joseph Gallenberger, clinical psychologist.

Monroe Institute trainer and the creator of the MC squared program, which is fantastic. And of course, the author of liquid luck and

we will explore the extraordinary potential of the human mind and heart diving into psychokinesis, the power of positivity and what it means to choose light in the midst of darkness.

Dr. Gallenberger will share his insights from decades of research and teaching, showing how cultivating joy, love, gratitude, and focused heart energy can transform our inner and outer worlds. This conversation will leave you inspired to tap into your own innate magic, embrace resilience, and create a little liquid luck in your everyday life. Welcome, Joe.

Joe Gallenberger (01:18)
Hi, good to see you again. It's been only a few weeks, but I miss you.

Dana Kippel (01:18)
I'm so excited. So excited.

Yes, I miss you too. I miss Monroe Institute. Most people who follow me know I'm obsessed with there. I'm going back next year already. But yes, the MC square program, ⁓ which we'll get into has been my favorite one I've taken there. I've taken three programs now.

Joe Gallenberger (01:33)
Good, good.

Dana Kippel (01:42)
⁓ I know of course it's famous for learning to bend metal spoons with your energy that we'll talk about, but more than that, it taught me how to ground into my heart energy, which is why I felt so inspired to reach out to you and interview you today. So I like to start with a question to kind of get us into our hearts, into our inner child. So I'm going to ask you, what was your childhood dream?

Joe Gallenberger (02:10)
Well, actually early on I wanted to become a monk.

Dana Kippel (02:12)
⁓

What?

Joe Gallenberger (02:16)
And so I ended up in a monastery at 13 and 14 years old in total silence. But they wouldn't take me younger than that. But I started looking when I was maybe in fourth or fifth grade and I had to wait till then. it turns out that I really didn't want to be a monk once I found out. I'd have to count out to their authority and other things. But that's where I started.

Dana Kippel (02:31)
What?

my gosh. Well, I feel like you're kind of roundabout way of back to that because basically you're at that same level, which we'll get into. So let's let's start with a fun question. What is psychokinesis for anyone who does not know and how did you get interested in it?

Joe Gallenberger (02:54)
Bye.

Psychokinesis, we usually shorten to PK and other people call it telekinesis. They're all the same thing. And you'll see the most definitions are affecting matter with your mind. I don't like that definition. To me, the mind is like the steering wheel of a car. It sets your direction of intent, but the car goes nowhere without gas. So to me, it's...

Dana Kippel (03:07)
Mm.

Mm.

Joe Gallenberger (03:30)
having your intention move through your heart energy, which is the best kind of gas, if you will, to affect physical matter. And so you could see it as energy healing and manifesting, but also in things like bending metal with your mind. at MC Squared, know, we grow seeds in our hand, sometimes root growth of an inch and a half in two minutes, light light bulbs with our energy. They measure 400 volts off our hands.

Dana Kippel (03:35)
Yeah.

Yes.

you

Joe Gallenberger (03:59)
with that. So those kind of things are what most people talk about as macro PK. You're affecting a large event. Micro PK is affecting computers, random number generators, things like that. And that's what they usually do in science labs. But also they ⁓ have those kind of computers and slot machines. So you can go out to Vegas and say, I'd like a royal flush in hearts. That's 160,000 to one by chance, but you can get it in first bulk.

Dana Kippel (04:09)
Ahem.

Mm.

Joe Gallenberger (04:29)
Yeah, so that's what we mean by PK or psychokinesis.

Dana Kippel (04:30)
Yes.

So I'm just gonna jump right into it, because you mentioned your inner Vegas book, and I know you have a workshop as well that is on your website that I will link below. Can you talk a little bit more about just everything to do with your workshop inner Vegas and why Vegas is a perfect testing ground for psychokinesis?

Joe Gallenberger (04:38)
Okay.

The main thing it does Dana is give you immediate feedback. In life, if you wanted a soulmate and you get trying to get yourself all in perfect shape to do that, it might take a year. If you're thinking negative, might take weeks before you got a cold or a physical illness or something reflecting the negativity. When we go to say the dice table in Vegas, ⁓ if we are in wide open heart connected with spirit,

Dana Kippel (04:56)
Mm-hmm

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (05:22)
grounded to the earth beautifully, feeling all is one in a gratitude abundance kind of mode. We usually get rewarded within seconds with money, ⁓ but if we go into greed for your ego, the money's withdrawn. So much like teaching a dog to sit, in three days you can train yourself to a more enlightened way of living, and that is from the heart. ⁓ And so it's a wonderful laboratory that way. Some people go, ⁓ I don't gamble.

Dana Kippel (05:35)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Joe Gallenberger (05:51)
And I go, gee, you came to this planet, you got married, you got kids, you're a high roller. You know, we're just playing with pieces of paper out there that people call money or chips. And so it's kind of a safe way to experiment and learn very quickly. And we pick Vegas because we know the state controls it to make sure it's all above board. We exactly know the statistics, how they should be.

Dana Kippel (05:55)
You ⁓

Yeah.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (06:20)
So in energy healing, say with a headache, I don't know if it goes away. If I did it, you did it. If it was supposed to go away ⁓ or if it doesn't, maybe it's not supposed to go away. You're supposed to learn something from it. So it's kind of messy compared to the psychokinesis stuff we do. And in the Vegas environment or a casino environment, we get clearer feedback and we know what we're, it wouldn't just.

Dana Kippel (06:34)
Yes.

Yes.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (06:48)
Roll nine nines in a row by itself, let's say.

Dana Kippel (06:51)
Speaking on that, I won't reveal who, but I'll let everyone experience MC Squared for themselves. But one of the amazing people there ⁓ rolled, I think, eight times in a row the same number they had an intention of. And they spoke about being almost in a state beyond time and space, right? So my question for you is, let's say I'm at the casino, which has happened, and I want to be in this state you talk of, but I also start not rolling

Joe Gallenberger (07:03)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Dana Kippel (07:21)
and then I get very in my head about it. I start grasping. How do you reverse that energy that we all can sink into?

Joe Gallenberger (07:31)
me, one of the best ways to get out of ego, we're not trying to kill ego, just quiet it down a bit, is to go into your heart. And so people think of their grandkids, their favorite fishing hole, their pets that they love. And if you can't go there, because the mind is too active, first go to the body and do something like a vigorous walk or go out in nature, ⁓ even jumping jacks, push ups, something to get your

Dana Kippel (07:43)
Mm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Gallenberger (08:00)
out of your mind and into your body and then into the heart that can work. When we do Vegas virtual, ⁓ people are all over the world. We've had three of these. We had 99 workshops that are in the book, Inter Vegas Adventure. When COVID came along, we changed to virtual. So in the first three virtuals, we've had folks, Vietnam, Australia, Saudi Arabia, all through Europe and...

Dana Kippel (08:17)
Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (08:28)
we'll have them all roll dice at the same time and aim for doubles. And we know statistically they should come up once in every six rolls. So say we have 22 people, we can times the 10 rolls is 220 divided by six, know exactly how many doubles. I just finished the workshop two days ago and we were supposed to get 32 doubles by chance, we got 61. So.

Dana Kippel (08:49)
wow.

Wow.

Joe Gallenberger (08:55)
This is a good way to get proof in the workshop. But only about half of the people in the workshop go to casino. Other folks are going through the week because it's Friday, Saturday, Sunday, the following Sunday, and they're using it in business and their jobs and their families. ⁓ And so we've had really interesting reports there of solving real estate problems, selling houses.

Dana Kippel (08:58)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yes.

Joe Gallenberger (09:23)
inventions,

having great talks to bosses. So they report all of a sudden life is filled with synchronicity, serendipity, people smile at them more, life goes smoother when you're in your heart energy. So that's the main point of doing it, not going to casino.

Dana Kippel (09:37)
Yes, I.

Yeah, exactly. That's like the cherry on top, which is just like in life with success. It's like success is actually the cherry on top for learning how to be in your heart energy and all of the real abundance that comes with that, which I'll get into with you too. Since you brought it up, let me talk about this now. There is a huge correlation that I did not realize with psychokinesis energy and healing energy. It's the same energy. So can you just speak a little bit more on that connection?

Joe Gallenberger (09:52)
Yes.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dana Kippel (10:12)
Because I've experienced great healing in the MC Squared workshop with my fear. ⁓ So yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (10:19)
Yeah, so we were defining as healing as healing into your full potential body, mind and spirit, not just a sore knee, for example. And within that, people have shifts psychologically and or physically. If you look at PK's definition of affecting matter, the physical world, the system with energy, that energy directed to the body, to the cells.

Dana Kippel (10:26)
Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (10:47)
et cetera can cause some rapid change there. We've had tumors disappear in seconds, ⁓ different things on the physical. We've also had things like you mentioned, alleviation of depression, what have you. Second day of the workshop ⁓ in Vegas, for example, we've had people wake up free of post polio syndrome pain for the first time in 20 years. Things that have seemed intractable ⁓ can shift and move with the right energy.

Dana Kippel (10:54)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Well. ⁓

Joe Gallenberger (11:17)
We can do experiments where we send energy, say, to pristine DNA. And if you send negative energy, the DNA coils and doesn't transmit messages as efficiently. If you send loving energy, you can see the DNA uncoils, transmission is much better. You can put bacteria in a bottle and protect it with good energy and

Dana Kippel (11:40)
Mmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm

Joe Gallenberger (11:46)
and say 70 % will be alive after a half hour if you put in an antibiotic. Without that protection, 93 % or so will be dead within minutes. So we can now demonstrate that energy does affect the physical body and the physical systems. there's a different flavor doing a metal bending versus diethylene versus lighting light bulbs versus physical healing.

Dana Kippel (12:03)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (12:16)
But physical healing is often a little easier because we love the person and we want to help our say our pet versus a pair of dice just look like two cubes of plastic. So the big thing is you have to get into relationship and it's easier to get into relationship often with a person. ⁓ But the other thing is dice don't have a belief system. A person could have a belief system like nothing good comes easy, no pain, no gain.

Dana Kippel (12:20)
It is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

than with a material.

Yes.

Joe Gallenberger (12:45)
Only doctors can heal you. And so when you're working with a person, you have that to engage with as well. Pets, therefore, are easier.

Dana Kippel (12:55)
Which is, yes.

And I also, I would say, and I'm sure you'll agree with this, that sometimes, so I've done Reiki healing, and this is a question I had. When I go to heal someone, sometimes there is miraculous healing, and then sometimes there isn't. And that might be because of their own free will. Maybe their belief system, they have to meet me halfway, just like we have to meet spirit or source halfway when it's helping us. So,

Joe Gallenberger (13:04)
Yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

Dana Kippel (13:22)
That is a beautiful thing I've recognized. And I would like to ask you too, because this is for anyone who is a healer or learning to send this energy. You say in this book, I was reading it this morning in the compassion section, there's a huge difference between sending healing energy out of self pity or our pitying the person because that puts them below you and sending healing energy from your overflowing energy. Can you explain that difference?

Joe Gallenberger (13:48)
Yeah, so there are healers that would say if you had a headache, they'd take on the headache and feel it and then move it through their own body. Monroe Institute where I teach and myself, we're more of a model of, we're designed to get energy in unlimited quantity and quality directly from source. The divine beauty of nature, however you define that.

Dana Kippel (13:52)
Cough

Yeah.

you

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (14:15)
And if you do that and fill yourself to overflowing and then extend that type of energy into healing, you don't tend to get splashback. You don't tend to get the person's issues on you. And it's done with a this or something better. And you make a great point, Dana. My mom, for example, had Alzheimer's. That was the very thing she didn't want. ⁓ After she passed, I talked to her and said, what was up with that? And she said, well,

Dana Kippel (14:25)
Yeah.

Mm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Mm.

Joe Gallenberger (14:45)
Your dad and I had been married 64 years. He needed to stay on the planet and do things. If I had died suddenly, it would have been too much of a shock. He learned how to cook and clean and meet new friends. And that she felt it was the way she could get rid of all her feelings of religious guilt. She just forgot everything. So Alzheimer's even could be an elegant plan. So the healer coming in, if they see a sore knee or a headache,

Dana Kippel (14:54)
Mm.

Mm-hmm

Wow.

Yes.

Joe Gallenberger (15:12)
we have to have great respect. We don't know the sacredness of that. And about 60 % of the time healers will report when somebody asks for healing, they'll have a sense this is gonna work the way the person thinks it will. ⁓ I think it always works, but it may make the person less fearful or more comfortable, or maybe even intensify the headache. So they go to a doctor and get something looked at.

Dana Kippel (15:17)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Me too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (15:39)
And it turns out they got something they needed to take care of in their brain, physically. ⁓ I think energy healing and physical medicine go together well. So I have a full ankle replacement, but I use the energy healing to get the best doctor who was busy for a year and a half, see me the next day. The physical therapist who had a PhD in ankle mechanics in my rural area, all kinds of synchronicity and flow.

Dana Kippel (15:44)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Joe Gallenberger (16:07)
and better recovery than if I just went in with a lot of fear and took a lot of pain meds, for example.

Dana Kippel (16:14)
Yes, and I love that you're talking about the integrated view because I think sometimes spirituality, we can go too far into only energy healing, no doctors, or we go too far into the materialism of only doctors, only medication. So I think what you're saying is a beautiful integration of trusting our body, getting energy healing, but knowing when we do need to supplement it with medical care, not every time, just when we've really, you know,

Joe Gallenberger (16:23)
of them.

Dana Kippel (16:41)
Sometimes you do need to do. So yes, I love that. ⁓ OK, let's get. Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (16:42)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, my ankle was,

they had almost torn off in a motorcycle accident when I was 21, I'm 75 now. And at that point it started to give me trouble. And the doctors said, within five years, you'll probably need an amputation. And I went 55 years using energy methods to manage pain and keep the joint functioning well. But at a certain point, I knew it was time to see somebody skilled in ankle surgery, not just energy medicine.

Dana Kippel (16:54)
Yeah.

Wow.

You knew.

Joe Gallenberger (17:17)
So ⁓

Dana Kippel (17:17)
Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (17:19)
healers need to do that. But also that idea of energy direct from source helps a healer not be doing it to be rescuing somebody or performing a role as good boy or good girl. ⁓ Because when you do that as a healer, that sets you up for burnout and connecting with other people's drama in ways that you might not want to and such.

So I think it's very healthy to do it from an overflowing energy point of view versus I'm on a mission and I'm kind of a missionary and I'm martyring myself. Yeah, then that's when healers often go out of balance and start having their own issues in the body or emotional issues.

Dana Kippel (17:53)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Martyr, yeah.

Yes.

which I've noticed a lot with psychics and psychics are amazing people. mean, you're psychic, probably I'm psychic, but I've noticed with some of my psychic friends, they're so gifted, but their lives and mine in the past have been a complete mess because we do what you're saying. We go out of balance. We go out of alignment. So I think...

Joe Gallenberger (18:14)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah. Yes.

Dana Kippel (18:30)
What you're making me realize is psychokinesis, healing, this heart energy. It's just all about realignment and getting us in the flow of our natural state. It's about letting go, ⁓ which I'm gonna ask you more about. Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (18:41)
Well, if I

could comment on the realignment, when I meet people of very good will who are psychic or spiritually inclined and they're having trouble financially or relationship-wise or physical health, usually what's missing is grounding. And that is to really 100 % fully want to be in this body at this time on this planet in your current situation. And that's not easy. You know, it's a rough planet.

Dana Kippel (18:45)
Yes.

Mmm.

Joe Gallenberger (19:11)
at times and you can't just give that lip service and say, oh, I'm going to put down roots like a tree. But if you really don't want to be here, you're not fully grounded. So as you remember in MC squared and in all the things we do, I have a home study course, also sync creation, will give many exercises about how to actually 100 % want to be here and in the power of now. If you do that, that's when that alignment comes in.

Dana Kippel (19:18)
Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yes.

Joe Gallenberger (19:40)
without the grounding you're at risk here of being ineffective at minimum and maybe ⁓ out of balance enough to be ill or something at maximum.

Dana Kippel (19:43)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Can you speak more on grounding actually because I've found that's the number one practice in my life and I still it's so simple and it's sometimes the thing I have the most resistance to and in your book you kind of spoke and I think many spiritual people can relate to the fact that when we're first here in our first maybe 30 our 30 years like you felt we feel a darkness we feel like we're not even supposed to be here we don't want to be here speak about that feeling and how you realize no we are meant

Joe Gallenberger (20:11)
Thank

Dana Kippel (20:22)
to be here. Right now we're here.

Joe Gallenberger (20:23)
Yeah.

One example I use would be if you gave me a beautiful mansion, many rooms, all kinds of cool stuff in it, but you lock me in, now it's a prison. Okay? Many people feel locked into the physical body and they can't leave and therefore Earth becomes a prison, if you will. And there's all kinds of things.

Dana Kippel (20:47)
Mm-hmm.

Joe Gallenberger (20:50)
to love and then other things not to like. So rather than focus on the Grand Canyon and beautiful sunrises and sunsets, they focus on the trash on the side of the road, okay? Because they feel imprisoned. So one of the things Monroe Institute does is teach people to come and go fairly easily from the physical body. And now it's unlocked and earth can be a paradise rather than a prison. So I think some of the feeling of, don't want to be here is because I...

Dana Kippel (20:57)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (21:21)
can't escape. A person can escape through drugs, alcohol, power, sexuality, all kinds of things, but they're temporary and not very satisfying. If you escape by being much more in touch with the divine and realize yourself as spirit and body at the same time, then it's much easier to walk through here. We use an open heart, so you're still compassionate about starving children, et cetera.

Dana Kippel (21:22)
Hmm.

Yeah.

Mmm.

Joe Gallenberger (21:51)
But your heart is like a vast ocean of love and you can go deep within the depths of that for peace and calm. And the storms are more on the surface, if you will.

Dana Kippel (21:56)
Mm.

Yeah. OK, you made me think of a question. Just for anyone here who doesn't know much about grounding, I used to not know even how to, what would you say is a, this is, know, more people take his course on synccreation.com, but what is maybe one way you could give us to ground, just an easy way anyone can ground?

Joe Gallenberger (22:21)
Okay.

I'd start with definition. ⁓ Grounding is, you're killing my spiritual buzz, you know, by looking at the planet. We use a definition that basically says, come fully into your body and your emotions, let your body and emotions speak freely to you. They're your guides. ⁓ Connect with them, energies of earth, not just anchoring to them.

Dana Kippel (22:35)
⁓

Joe Gallenberger (22:49)
but allow the earth sustenance, its energy balance to come into you deeply into your heart. And then let the energies of highest spirit come into your heart. So that's what we're meaning. ⁓ Often things that people love are grounding. If you love to dance, ⁓ if you love massage, if you love whatever, and it brings you fully into the body, if you love the beauty of nature, beauty of music.

Dana Kippel (23:07)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (23:16)
Those are great ways, simple ways to ground. so, you know, start with what you'd like to do and it'll lead to some very grounding activities. But if you look at most people's day, they're doing very little what they like to do. And they're saying to themselves, I have to get up, the alarm went off. I have to have breakfast, have to shower, get ready for work. Even changing your language to, the alarm went off, I choose to get up.

Dana Kippel (23:26)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Joe Gallenberger (23:46)
Or I can

choose to stay in bed and, you know, just there'll be consequences maybe, but I can dump work for an hour. I choose to take a shower because it feels good. I choose to have breakfast because I'll make something delicious and tasty and good for my body. And so you begin to feel more grounded because you're choosing to be here as opposed to I have to be here. That's that prison language.

Dana Kippel (23:52)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

Joe Gallenberger (24:13)
I have to call my mom. I have to do this. I have to do that. We often sell speech that way and that adds to the prison feeling.

Dana Kippel (24:17)
Yes.

Yes, instead of the gratitude, which is something else you teach of the fact that we get to be here and wake up and we get to do any of this. And then even going further than that, which is something I've learned from you too, it's like, if we're not happy in our situation, we can choose to change it. And it really is as simple as taking action. Everyone thinks they're so stuck in life. It's like if...

Joe Gallenberger (24:25)
Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

Dana Kippel (24:44)
Like for me, I've thank God I've always been this way. If I wanna like go on a road trip, even if I can't afford it, I'm going. And then life will start to be abundant and bring those, bring that money into me, ⁓ bring those situ... Life can be very beautiful that way.

Joe Gallenberger (24:54)
Yeah.

Well, and you're

bringing back to the Vegas thing when people say, don't gamble. Another thing we're taught is when somebody says, that's risky, it means stop. You're going to hurt yourself or your tribe. And change does involve risk. So risk is how we learn and grow. Risk is how we have, we're talking here on Riverside. Somebody took the risk to have a company. So. ⁓

Dana Kippel (25:02)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (25:27)
there's a different attitude when you feel you're essentially unharmable and you're in dominion of your experience spiritually and physically. ⁓ That doesn't mean rough things don't happen, but they hit you differently. ⁓ So I don't know, one of my dear cats was savaged by some neighbor dogs. came by and she died in my arms. I went to see the neighbor.

I've never met him before. First thing I did was give him a hug. That was a risk because I've never met him. And we said, I said, we need to have a soulful conversation. And we had a good conversation since then he took care of his animals. But in the old me, the ego me would be, I'm going to get even, I'm going to sue him. You know, I'm going to threaten him. If you don't keep your dogs locked up, I'll shoot them, whatever. When you go through these dramas of victim and

Dana Kippel (25:58)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. ⁓

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (26:26)
and right and wrong and justice, and that's exhausting. You can do that at 30 years old easier than at 75.

Dana Kippel (26:27)
Yeah.

It is.

I don't

think it, for some reason the world is changing, I can't even do that now. I'm, I'm, yeah I'm where you are. Yeah, I'm, I'm exhausted now at age 36. Okay, let's get it. Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (26:39)
Okay, good. Yeah, we got exhausted. Yeah.

Yeah, so I have a favorite phrase I use and

I put it on my wall. Somebody sent me it on a sign. Fear is expensive. Love is priceless. Choose wisely. Okay. And so if you can have a mantra like that, and when something happens, you decide, do I want to meet this with love or fear? Life goes very differently. That's when things change.

Dana Kippel (26:54)
Mm-hmm.

Yes, yes, I'd love that.

Mmm.

That was my question and I'm trying to find it since you just brought it up because one of the things, let me find it, one of the things I have struggled most in life with is fear. And I think that many people who take risks have the most fear, right? And I've learned in my time, fear does not disappear. It is always there and it's a choice of how to transmute it, which basically now I'm gonna bring up your book, Liquid Luck. In the book Liquid Luck,

Joe Gallenberger (27:17)
Okay.

Dana Kippel (27:43)
You

say, fear is expensive, love is priceless, choose wisely. You say, I used to meet fear with courage, now I meet it with love. So for the listeners who also struggle deeply with fear, how do you meet fear with love and how do you deal with fear in general?

Joe Gallenberger (28:00)
Okay. ⁓

You have to honor ego, to my opinion, and honor fear as part of the guardian part of you that keeps you safe and alive. And there needs to be some respect. You've gotten this far, okay? And so you can have a talk with the guardian. Say you're afraid of rejection. And the guardian says, we're rejecting everybody before they reject you to protect you. You can begin to say, well, that works.

Dana Kippel (28:11)
Cough

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (28:34)
And thank you for doing that, but I think I got a more elegant way. If I get energy directly from source, I won't be so needy. My intuition will operate better. Could I experiment? Could I go to a grocery store and pick the person? I think if I smile that, they'd smile back. And we'll just see what happens. Guardian inside would say, well, that sounds safe enough. We could try that.

Dana Kippel (28:44)
Hmm.

Joe Gallenberger (29:01)
And if that works, we can take it a little further and a little further. So often you approach fear like you would with a beloved grandchild or child rather than you got to have this shot now stay still. You try to say, honey, it won't hurt too long. If you need it for this reason that you talk in a loving way, but it has to be done. sometimes we, as humans, it's much easier.

Dana Kippel (29:11)
Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (29:30)
to buy a stock then sell it, to get married then divorced, to get a job then to quit. We just are naturally built that we fear change in that direction more. And so you ⁓ approach this thing of going, the fear is natural, it's good, comes from my guardian, doesn't mean it's right. What can I do? Can I use my intuition? Can I approach things?

Dana Kippel (29:38)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (29:57)
in a way that I have more knowledge or more energy for them so it'll have a better chance of going positively. And then, you know, experimenting. I don't like to dive off the cliff. You if I was unhappy with my job, I wouldn't just recommend to somebody, you know, quit and then, you know, just take a big header off the cliff and God will catch you and angels will do that.

Dana Kippel (30:12)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (30:26)
I'd rather, I'm a little more scaredy cat than that. We usually recommend people move like an amoeba. It's a single celled animal. It moves a little protoplasm in one direction and feels around if that's safe. If it feels receptive, it flows more of its life energy that way. So if you wanted to change jobs, you start something a couple of hours a week in your passion area, see how that goes. And then...

Dana Kippel (30:29)
Yeah.

Hmm.

Hmm. Hmm.

Joe Gallenberger (30:54)
some point you're going, gee, I got a full-time job in 20 hours on the side because that's going so well. Then at some point you have a choice to change jobs. But it's different than just diving off the cliff. That's honoring the guardian a little better. Does that make sense?

Dana Kippel (30:59)
Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah, that's something

I, yeah, that's something I need to hear because I will say I am the probably the reason I have so much fear is I'm always diving off every cliff, which has to it has to do with rushing. Maybe you can speak on this. Maybe someone needs to hear this, but I'm going to ask you advice very quick. I always feel like I'm rushing and I almost like set up my life that I'm always in a position of rushing. What do you think that is? And do you have any advice for that?

Joe Gallenberger (31:19)
Okay. ⁓

Yes.

Sure.

A couple of things. I'm an impatient guy too, so I have one of my mantras as patience sweetens passion. I think of myself as having probably more than one life. And when we look at all of recorded history on the planet, it's about equivalent to a millimeter of paint on the top of the highest skyscraper compared to all the time Earth has been around.

Dana Kippel (31:41)
Yeah.

True.

Joe Gallenberger (32:04)
So one of the ways we feel poverty or lack is we don't have enough time. And so we look at that and say, hmm, that's maybe kind of an illusion. Also, I've found over the years, and the culture has not been great with divine feminine energy for a couple thousand years, but I've seen some people who are in touch with divine feminine.

Dana Kippel (32:08)
Yeah. Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Joe Gallenberger (32:33)
And if they want a new truck, it falls on the ground in front of them. It might be new. Yeah. And where the other way you work really hard and, you know, and then you have car payments and you got to work harder and whatever. And they, ⁓ so there's a trust issue, I think that all souls particularly face that as you face that, it's easier to not be in such a rush, not to be in such a hurry.

Dana Kippel (32:38)
Yeah, I've had that too. Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (33:01)
feeling like everything is in right order anyway at a deep level. ⁓ But part of the rush, you could say, part of its excitement, the fear, its excitement, part of the rush is passion. I just want to get this out. I want to start this channel. I have this wonderful idea. But let's take the Liquid Luck book. ⁓ That started with an meditation Liquid Luck.

Dana Kippel (33:17)
Yeah, that's true.

That's it. Yeah.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (33:31)
I was wanting to ⁓ somehow in a half hour give people a taste that this stuff really works. I had the person I was doing meditations with, the company, say, okay, yeah, we'll do that. And they took two years farting around and never got to it. All right. So finally I said, I'll do it myself. But I moved into an intuition, high energy connected with spirit grounded state. First thing I got was an impulse to call a guitar store in my town. I did.

Dana Kippel (33:31)
Yes.

Ahem.

Joe Gallenberger (34:01)
They knew a guy who had an amazing sound lab. He knew a great CD manufacturer. ⁓ The artist of that cover won a million dollar prize with Frito-Lay for their advertising. ⁓ They have a good eye, let's say. And I had that CD in my hand in two weeks, where that project could have taken two years if I rushed and struggled and...

Dana Kippel (34:16)
Yeah.

Whoa.

Mmm.

Joe Gallenberger (34:28)
went the way maybe people would usually be inclined to do it. And the more I would struggle and rush, then people go, you better sign contracts. You better do this. You better consult lawyers. And all of a sudden that thing could bog down. right? ⁓ Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is the river flowing my direction? Does the universe? ⁓

Dana Kippel (34:32)
Yeah.

Sure. So it's like the art of allowing the art of getting into that flow and perceiving what's out.

Joe Gallenberger (34:55)
think this is a great way for me to spend my time. If my answers are yes, and is this the way I would like to spend my precious years on earth? If the answers are yes, there often is a way it will flow quite easily. And that'll reduce fear.

Dana Kippel (34:58)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Agree.

Okay, can you speak actually on letting go? Because it's such a simple concept, but I think so difficult because we don't even know what that means or how to do it. ⁓ So this will lead into how to even bend a spoon. But yeah, what is letting go and how does one actually let go?

Joe Gallenberger (35:25)
Mm-hmm.

⁓ As you said and done, most of the time, the more important it is, the harder it is to let go. So if I had a doctor say to me, there's a lump on your arm, we're going to have to biopsy that next week, the person naturally is going to be in fear. But if they can let go of the fear by Monday when they go in, the doc may say, that's just water, or where is the lump? I can't even see it anymore. So. ⁓

Dana Kippel (35:36)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (36:02)
The idea is to practice it with things like dice rolling or metal bending or other things. You have a strong, clear intention moving through your heart energy. This is what I want. And then you have to move to a place where you don't feel lack. You feel abundant already. You feel all is in right order anyway. And this is like you mentioned, the cherry on top of the sundae. you see this whole, let's say you were starting a new channel.

Dana Kippel (36:07)
Mmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Joe Gallenberger (36:31)
I think you've done that recently. Okay. Rather than, oh man, got, you know, I'll do that a certain way to say, look at the abundance already in my Sunday. You know, I have good physical health, hopefully friends, books that I've read, guides, mentors, animals and pets, the beauty of nature, you know, and this new channel, So Cherry on Top, that'll help you let go. And you say to yourself, this or something better.

Dana Kippel (36:33)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (37:01)
And if you do that enough, you begin to see that happen. I wanted to go to Paris one time, take my beautiful new wife there. It's a romantic thing. I got immediately an announcement, hey, would you like to train in France? Said, yep. Long story short, once I went, I ended up with dozens of workshops in Europe, including helping heal with the Holocaust in Cyprus, helping with the UN negotiations.

different things, so it's even better than you expect. That's the light of letting go. It doesn't happen to happen your way. You have a goal, and I did get to Paris and we had a great time, but it can be so much more than that. So you begin to see letting go as of high value. And so I look at it as surrender is just letting go of the illusion of separateness, if that makes sense.

Dana Kippel (37:33)
Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.

It does.

Joe Gallenberger (38:00)
So rather than just, I have to surrender to God or surrender to the universe as a defeat, it's more like I'm surrendering into the most nurturing, loving feeling that's way, way beyond what I could usually even develop myself. And then letting go becomes a little easier. It's like going into your mom's arms and being held in love.

Dana Kippel (38:07)
Mm.

Yes, miracle. Yeah.

Yeah

Yes.

I will say too, what has helped me let go and I'm not just saying this on your website, SYNC CREATION, you have meditation downloads. There's a beautiful one about ocean, called Ocean Heart. There is one I believe called Forgiving Heart. Is that the title of it?

Joe Gallenberger (38:35)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yes, there's

four in the Heart Series, starting with Healing Heart, Abundant Heart, then Ocean Heart, and Forgiving Heart.

Dana Kippel (38:46)
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Those are all amazing. Also Abundance Waterfall. That is a great download. And these are all like 18 or $19. So and trust me, guys, you will get way more money out of it than you put into it. When I did Abundance Waterfall, I had the idea for my website that I'm creating now, which is kind of like an online magic school. ⁓

Joe Gallenberger (38:54)
Yeah.

huh.

Dana Kippel (39:10)
And I literally just had it a few weeks ago to like how to do this. And it all came because in abundance waterfall, it kind of for me helps me open and expand my perception and do what you're saying being in the flow and I see a bunch of opportunities from the idea instead of like one linear path if that makes sense, like it helped expand my perception. So I highly recommend that one. Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (39:30)
Mm-hmm.

Thank you. Yeah, that

one is we've seen people have health miracles because they've imagined a waterfall of health. We've had people have the ⁓ financial kinds of things from that flow much better. So all of these are around this idea of approaching with an open heart, approaching for your benefit and those around you.

Dana Kippel (39:45)
Mmm.

Joe Gallenberger (40:02)
this or something better, that kind of an open ⁓ field. And fortunately we've had a lot of fun and I just get a big old kick. The way the Vegas workshop is designed, as I mentioned, there's a week along between. So I had Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and now we're talking I think on Monday or Tuesday.

Dana Kippel (40:15)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (40:26)
And I'm also

already getting reports, hey, I went to the casino and I won five jack-of-lots in a row and I've done this and I've done that. And other people had the difficult talk with their boss and they got a raise or whatever it is. So ⁓ my idea would be that...

Dana Kippel (40:30)
wow.

my gosh.

Joe Gallenberger (40:47)
We should teach this stuff in grade school and high school. the ideals of religion to be patient and kind and loving and trusting are great, but they don't tell us how to get there. I'm trying to answer that a little bit. ⁓ it comes from, you know, it comes from kind of a deep area. My brother committed suicide and ⁓ he was a good guy. He was handsome, hardworking, honest, but he couldn't feel like he deserved anything.

Dana Kippel (40:50)
Yes.

Yeah, please speak on that.

I was just gonna

Mm.

Joe Gallenberger (41:17)
and he

was suspicious of having power. ⁓ And ⁓ best we could tell maybe in another life, he was a king where he was very just, but no mercy. And so ⁓ a lot of this is motivated by that. had some depression in my family and my own self growing up ⁓ from early age is to try to say, how can we make it?

Dana Kippel (41:20)
Hmm.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Gallenberger (41:44)
the kind of paradise that could be here for our grandkids and how could we make it at least a heck of a lot more nice for us why we're here. And so the things have that in the background. Some of the stuff on manifestation like the secret movie, movie, the secret and stuff or law of attraction are visualized and make it so. The stuff I deal with often goes a little deeper also into the shadow.

Dana Kippel (41:48)
Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Mm.

Joe Gallenberger (42:13)
If you do have fear, if you have feelings of lack of deservingness or guilt and healing that stuff, so then the visualization works better.

Dana Kippel (42:24)
I agree. I think that the Dark Knight of the Soul, we kind of all have to go through, at least right now on this earth, just because I do what you're saying with your brother, and I'm so sorry about that. I know you've lost two brothers, and that's kind of what has made you and the beautiful light that you are now. How do you choose light in the darkness when everything seems dark around you?

Joe Gallenberger (42:51)
I've had a lot of benefit. had loving parents. I had oneness experiences at five or six years old that gave me a knowing just not a belief that we are one with the divine, if you will. ⁓ But ⁓ I often go to the, when I'm in grief, for example, ⁓ and depression was to go to beauty, ⁓ beauty of nature and things.

Dana Kippel (43:14)
Mmm.

Joe Gallenberger (43:18)
And also

speaking your truth, know, lot of depression is anger turned inward. ⁓ so psychotherapy works well. had a 30 year psychotherapy practice because ⁓ that there's a role for a therapist in people's lives. If it's the kind of sticky grief where you and depression where you can't sleep well, everything is, you know, pessimistic and you feel like you're slogging through mud at that point.

Dana Kippel (43:29)
Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (43:47)
talking to somebody can really help give you a different perspective. And that person might say, hey, volunteer your time to teach kids to swim. They might knowing you say you need to work your artwork better. They may say you need a couple of letters you got to write to people. Maybe you never send them, but you got to get some stuff out. ⁓ So there's ways to get bogged down. And one thing that's going on, Dana, I think,

Dana Kippel (43:57)
Hmm.

Joe Gallenberger (44:16)
A lot of people don't appreciate that many of the souls here now are holding space for seven generations forward and backward. So they have family lines that involve the Holocaust, that involve World War II, that involve mass mass slaughter and sadness and human ugliness. And we're holding space to heal that ⁓ and not bring it forward because of fear and perpetuate it.

Dana Kippel (44:25)
Yeah.

Hmm.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (44:44)
And there's a lot of fear in culture right now that would want you to just feel so scared you move back into survival mode and hate your neighbor and report them to the authorities. So, but we're holding space for big stuff. And so if you, yeah, if you have depression, it may not be your own entirely. ⁓ And so that has to be looked at too. And that's where angels can help and spirit can help a lot to

Dana Kippel (44:44)
Mm.

Yeah.

I feel that.

I, yeah.

Yes.

Joe Gallenberger (45:14)
I'll carry

some of that. Does that make sense?

Dana Kippel (45:17)
Yes, I want to ask you more about that. So I think the reason I so I had a very bad addiction most of my not most of my life, but when I was 14 to 21, I don't know how I didn't die, to be honest. And I think and maybe with your brother, too, I think mine was a fear of power. It was almost like this just innate fear. And I didn't know what it was back then. Now I do. Because this power is in us holding this space, right? But it's a very

Yeah, it's a very interesting thing. So I lost my question. ⁓ With what you were saying, how do can you rely on these higher spirits, these, where we all come from? Can you speak more on relying on that to kind of guide you through that? Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (46:04)
AA has a lot of power, alcohol is synonymous, because they say basically surrender to a higher power. I can remember being in Vegas after a horrible trip as I was trying to raise my bets and fears were generated. And for two days it wasn't pleasant. And I was eating ⁓ some kind of...

Dana Kippel (46:12)
Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (46:28)
Oriental soup. I remember that at a fancy restaurant all by myself crying into my soup and the song came on of ⁓ Fly like an eagle the angels are the wind under my wings You know type of thing and I just started bawling and I surrendered and I just said You know carry me. I I have no more energy to flap my own wings

Dana Kippel (46:30)
Yeah.

huh.

Mmm.

Mmm.

Joe Gallenberger (46:54)
And a lot of people that you mentioned, Dark Knight of the Soul, Johnny Cash in his last album before he died, had a song like that too of, Lord, just one more time, hold me up or help me. I'm paraphrasing, that's not the exact words. So if you can, and some of that surrender can be first, just talk to another person, family member, loved one, best friend, and say, this is out of my control, I can't handle this anymore.

Dana Kippel (47:01)
Mm-hmm.

Mm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Mm.

Joe Gallenberger (47:24)
and I

need some help, ⁓ that is hugely powerful. And either through prayer or through talking to somebody, ⁓ professional or through talking to loved ones, all of a sudden you're not carrying it alone. That can help.

Dana Kippel (47:40)
I agree.

I think that's the only reason today that I am able to be alive. Thank God since I was 21, I haven't had any issues in that department. And it's because of everything you just said. I just wanted other people to hear that too. And let me ask you then more about this spirit world. So you seem very connected. You almost, you know, seem like you're this higher self kind of visiting earth, but you're very aware of this other world. Can you speak maybe more of this other world, what you perceive it to be some of your travels in these areas?

Joe Gallenberger (47:49)
Good, great.

Dana Kippel (48:11)
areas.

Joe Gallenberger (48:12)
I'm

going to go off the idea of my book, Heaven is for Healing with my brother's suicide in culture. They would be in everlasting hell for all eternity would be the punishment for suicide in many of the religions. In the old days, Roman times, Middle Egypt, Egyptian times ⁓ in Europe, they would kill the entire family and take all your estate. So it was considered a negative event.

Dana Kippel (48:19)
yeah.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Joe Gallenberger (48:42)
What I found that my access to spirit was that every drop of your experience is treasured. All lives lead to light. And yet there's all kinds of triage over there to help you heal on that side. Suicide is still not a good thing to do because it's inefficient and it can slow you down, but you're not punished forever. ⁓

Dana Kippel (49:02)
Yeah.

Sure, I agree.

Joe Gallenberger (49:11)
but you could be clouded and feel wistful and regretful now knowing what you knew from spirit. Hey, I could have reacted better down here. You can begin to see it. It wouldn't have been so much of a big deal to just ask for help, for example. ⁓ So what I see there is great love, great kindness, great wisdom and continued growth. So my brother over there, after 25 years, my book was written, he'd been...

Dana Kippel (49:26)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (49:40)
over there for that long, how it affected me and how it affected him there. And I was saying to him through a guide or a channeler, Pete, even though you committed suicide, you are a light in our lives. You are treasured. know, he had an amazing sense of humor, all of the light, and we could feel like he goes, no, I caused you guys too much pain by doing what I did.

And his spirit guides over there came in and said, he's still got work to do over here about deserving this. So so my initially he thought of coming back for a life of atonement, if you will. And he eventually he was counseled and decided to a simple life with loving parents and starting over with the basics. So.

Dana Kippel (50:15)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Joe Gallenberger (50:34)
That's forgiveness in its ultimate form where you forgive yourself and and maybe spirit can help you do that. So when you see talk to people with near death experience, often they say there was no judgment. You know, and I was met with great love and ⁓ and and acceptance for who I am and in a field of love. So I guess that's what I'd say about what I know about spiritual life is. ⁓

Dana Kippel (50:38)
Yes.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Hmm.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (51:06)
And there is lore and opera, astral and different systems. But what I've seen is there's a great burst of energy at leaving a life for most people. And so my second brother, died of Leucus AX, right? And he was staunch Catholic. But after he died, said, Joe, you were right. That influx of energy allowed him to drop those belief systems.

Dana Kippel (51:11)
Sure, sure.

ALA. ⁓

haha

Joe Gallenberger (51:34)
and heavy judgment and those things and move into connection with the divine very easily. So 99 % of people, that's what happens, I think. So, yeah, so.

Dana Kippel (51:46)
I do too.

Okay, I have a few more questions if you're okay. ⁓ So let's get back into some fun because I want to see your spoon bending show and tell. So let's start. Let's start with ⁓ how can one feel abundant now you talk about how abundance just isn't about money and one of your chapters in liquid luck. So I would just love for you to share your perspective on that.

Joe Gallenberger (51:51)
You say.

Okay.

Yeah, first of all, we don't, I watched a video last night where most people feel they're not doing as well as average and yet they are. And so if you have ⁓ not in the last month been starving, if you have a place over your head, et cetera, to allow some of that sense of abundance to be there and realize, know, how...

Dana Kippel (52:18)
Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Yeah.

You

Joe Gallenberger (52:41)
Yes, my car is in lousy condition and it could be nice to replace it. But I've never had to put in only $2 of gas in the tank every week because that's all I can afford. I've actually had the luxury of filling my tank up. Whatever it is, you begin to change your frame of reference. That can help. ⁓ I actually forgot your question.

Dana Kippel (53:00)
Mm-hmm.

⁓ yeah,

sorry. You know what, that's only the first time you've done that. Usually people forget 20 million times. So more about the state of abundance. how can people, what is abundance besides just abundance of wealth? Like in your book, ⁓ hold on, because I, ⁓ you said,

Joe Gallenberger (53:19)
Yeah.

Dana Kippel (53:23)
So from my point of view, the physical and non-physical universes are both abundant beyond measure. Some examples you give are physical numbers, how many numbers there are, the energy of the oceans, the sun, the wind, love, how many people we've loved over our entire life, the beauty of everything. I mean, I'm kind of saying it now. And then humor. But yeah, anything else that comes to mind when I say abundant that you could tell people.

Joe Gallenberger (53:50)
Yeah,

yeah, so ⁓ to feel more abundant, definitely wide it beyond, do I have as fancy a car as my neighbor? Okay. And so you look at even the books you've read and the authors have taken the time to read them, the teachers you've had in your life that have been kind, ⁓ again, beauty of nature. So abundance to me means all those things, not just financial. And... ⁓

Dana Kippel (54:01)
Yes.

Mmm.

Yes.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (54:20)
Even people say who have lost their abundance of health, often this will be an 80 and 90 year olds, they may have crippling arthritis and not the ability to even walk down the street anymore, but they will say, am so blessed. And they're focusing on their grandchildren or great grandchildren or the view out their window or something else, or the fact that they can still see or smell, whatever it is. So it's a perspective.

Dana Kippel (54:24)
Mmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (54:49)
And so in the abundance waterfall meditation you mentioned, we look at all those different parts of different colors. So you'd see maybe health would be green and money would be gold and community would be blue. And you can see all this flow that already comes to you as part of helping the person feel abundant.

Dana Kippel (54:49)
Yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

That is what I was going to mention and something you don't have to speak on if you don't want to because we've spoken about it a lot. But basically in the book, Liquid Luck, you talk about how gratitude, love and happiness are usually seen as emotional responses. And then you say that they can also be states of consciousness that we can generate, increase and sustain regardless of what is around us. I love that. Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (55:24)
Yeah.

Good, yeah. And

so most people go unconsciously a little bit, I'll be happy when I get X, Y, or Z to happen. When I find my mate, when I get my job, whatever. And what we find, and I see that out even in casino, be happy first. And then those things will come to you much more easily. ⁓ happiness is hugely powerful.

Dana Kippel (55:44)
Yes.

Yep.

Bye.

Joe Gallenberger (56:04)
They've done studies where just your picture graduating from high school, if it's a real smile versus a fake, they can predict your health, your marital status, your financial status. So ⁓ that's another thing I teach in grade school is how to cultivate your happiness. And it's mainly by focusing on what you do have versus what you don't.

Dana Kippel (56:17)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yep.

But you don't. And now

it's amazing. And everyone really needs to read these books and take the course. I highly recommend it because it has changed my life. And this is kind of what I want to get into. And I'm not just saying that lightly. Once again, I went to MC squared, obviously, because I heard that we could bend spoons with our mind. And what I learned instead was just the importance of

letting go and attention and almost because I've lived most of my life in such a negative state and worry and doubt just because of you know, traumas and past life things. I now feel like after MC squared, I know what to me what letting go means. And I learned this with the spoons too. It is about when you're in those negative states, it is a simple shift of attention. All I have to do is learn how to drop it.

disc, discreate it and put my attention on something new and then the spoon will bend. So talk more about that and show me the bent spoons. my gosh.

Joe Gallenberger (57:26)
Okay, so this would be a fork I did. And this

is the heaviest Onida ware. So this stuff is hard steel. If you pushed like that as hard as you could, all you're gonna do is put a mark on your finger, okay?

Dana Kippel (57:35)
Yes.

Yeah.

Holy,

and anyone who can't see the video, go to YouTube and we have it, but it's basically a fork that is coiled in a million different directions. Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (57:49)
Okay, so that's

one. These are again the heaviest Oneida metallurgist. Metallurgist has looked at this one. The bend is so tight that they said the metal would break if you tried to do that with physical force. And these look different under electron microscope than if you bent it by force. ⁓

Dana Kippel (57:55)
I have one too. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes, because you're bending

it, I think by some type of heat, some type of knot. Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (58:17)
Yeah,

I do like forks because they can curly cube.

Dana Kippel (58:22)
Whoa,

that fork.

Joe Gallenberger (58:25)
So that, you

it's the, you bend the tines all around like that. That's, you see on YouTube some other kind of bending, but this is what we do in MC Squared with the home studies sink creation course. We get pretty crazy.

Dana Kippel (58:31)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

And when you're doing that, so basically just you teach it more in the course. I don't want to get too much into it. But the last step is the people that can't do it, I find, have a struggle with being able to let go of their attention and attachment, wanting the spoon to bend. So you just stay in a playful state, right? And you just put your attention somewhere else.

Joe Gallenberger (59:03)
Yeah, there's a strong intent and then a letting go. Some people start with more of a yang energy like band. And then we go to a yin energy like some of those forks. One guy who's a surgeon ⁓ having no luck with that bend, he was just looking at the fork and imagining how much his great Dane liked to be massaged between his toes on his foot. And as he did that, massaged the tines and they melted.

Dana Kippel (59:10)
Mmm.

Aww. Mm-hmm.

Joe Gallenberger (59:33)
So you can go from a divine feminine or divine masculine, if you will, want to energy, but the letting go part can be ⁓ a challenge. So we put on rock music, we play, we dance. Some people do it during meditation. One lady woke up with it three in the morning, her chest vibrating strongly and the metal bent in the middle of the night when her ego was sort of more asleep. ⁓

Dana Kippel (59:34)
Wow.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (1:00:03)
You know, some people have trouble going, I don't want to destroy silverware. They have to make it into Christmas ornaments. Other people go, is it bending? it bending? Am I doing it? And they get in there with their brain. But it's great advice for letting go. Same for the light bulb lighting. Until you let go and nothing happens. Because when you let go, then energy flows. the same, yep.

Dana Kippel (1:00:15)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mm-hmm

Yeah. Then the light goes off.

Joe Gallenberger (1:00:30)
Same for healing and manifesting. If you hold too tightly, it's very difficult.

Dana Kippel (1:00:34)
Yeah.

It really to me it really is it's it's a life teaching of being a kid again. It's being it's like bringing the wise grandparent down and then being in the state of play. It's the best teaching anyone can learn. Okay, last yeah, last three questions, because I'm sure you want to get on with your day. ⁓ What is the most important lesson in life you've learned so far?

Joe Gallenberger (1:00:49)
Nice way to do it.

that love is real, I would say. I believe a lot of things, but I know that less.

Dana Kippel (1:01:10)
I agree. And I think you can feel that warmth in your heart. Yeah. Okay. That's beautiful. ⁓ Okay. Second to last question. I know you have connections to, these other dimensions, benevolent beings, angels, selves. ⁓ I'm actually curious what you think.

these, I wouldn't say higher beings, but these supportive beings are, and what is the main thing you feel from your perspective they want us to know?

Joe Gallenberger (1:01:43)
I don't think there's any higher or lower in the sense of better or worse. The bass notes and music are just as important as the treble. ⁓ Within that model, then they treasure us very much and they often learn from our experience. They give us a lot of credit for having the guts to come and be physical. ⁓ But they're watching us carefully for what they can learn.

Dana Kippel (1:01:49)
Totally.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (1:02:11)
as well as being there with great love for us to support. Probably one of the things I learned is our artificial definitions of ego boundary or self are quite narrow and impermeable compared to quote reality. So many beings over there would not have an individual name, they're more of a group.

Dana Kippel (1:02:31)
Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (1:02:37)
consciousness, or they may say, you know, I've had a thousand names through a thousand lives or whatever it is, their thing is expanded beyond the narrow confines. And even people with out of body experiences and near death, if they're coming back here, they go, how could I fit my size of spirit back into this tiny little container? So you begin to appreciate the ⁓ vastness.

Dana Kippel (1:03:02)
Mm-hmm.

Joe Gallenberger (1:03:07)
Monroe has a program called Starlines. We go travel and there might be a cloud in space that's 12 and a half trillion light years across. So our sense of who we are is expanded much like if you travel out of the US to other countries, if you go to Europe, it expands you. In Portugal, there's a different sense of time. In Spain, different sense of personal space. But still, if you...

Dana Kippel (1:03:07)
Mm-hmm. Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (1:03:36)
don't go to the Far East or the Middle East, you'd get a whole different thing, let alone Aboriginal tribes in the Amazon jungle or Australia. So travel broadens you. Connection with spirit broadens you in a similar way. It teaches you that your definitions are a little narrow. Long answer, but.

Dana Kippel (1:03:43)
Yeah.

Yeah.

I agree.

Yeah.

No, it's a great, no, it's a great answer. Don't rush. I love your stories and your answers. ⁓ And I will link also the MC squared program and just Monroe Institute below as well. I'm doing guidelines next year to eventually get to star lines. ⁓ And I'm also doing heartline, which I'm really excited about. So yeah. Yes. Okay. Last.

Joe Gallenberger (1:04:01)
Okay.

Good. Good.

Good, good.

Dana Kippel (1:04:22)
This is like a two point question. ⁓ The first half is what would you define, and we've kind of gone over this, but simply what would you define as heart centered living?

Joe Gallenberger (1:04:35)
People feel heart energy in different ways. It might feel like a dinner plate size warmth in the heart area. It could feel like a little light shining in your heart. It could be just knowing you have a lot of love and appreciation for people in your life that are important or pets, that kind of thing. The idea would be more...

that the kind of feeling you would have watching a video of, soldiers returning from war and being reunited with their children and your heart opens and you feel tearful. But then the first call that's upsetting on the phone, you shut back down.

The idea would be to understand that it's more protective to keep the heart open than to close it and to be paranoid or to be suspicious. And so heart centered living, usually, if it's going to be more than just trying to do pushups every day and you get tired of that, you begin to see the power of living that way. then phrases like, know, hmm.

Dana Kippel (1:05:24)
I agree.

Hmm.

Joe Gallenberger (1:05:45)
Love, fear is expensive. Love is priceless, choose wisely. Keep coming to mind more often. It pulls you gently back to the heart. And you do begin, you know, if you don't watch as much broadcast news, if you hang around with people that are of a higher vibration than are always in fear themselves, all of that will serve to ⁓ support that heart-centered living. ⁓

Dana Kippel (1:05:54)
Hmm.

Mm.

Yeah

Joe Gallenberger (1:06:09)
But to be fully in that, you have to be able to walk into very negative, chaotic environments and still hold that space. So if you're saying, I'm all heart-centered, but all I do is hang out in a monastery or on a commune or something, then there's some work to do, I think. When I say heart-centered living, do you mean?

Dana Kippel (1:06:28)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (1:06:39)
at the worst family gathering you can imagine, a Thanksgiving, all the misbehaving. Can you hold that at a time when you would feel very rushed and I'm having to get through this mall and find the right gift and everybody's in line and pushing. Can you handle it in a subway on an-

Dana Kippel (1:06:51)
Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (1:07:01)
going through turbulence and half the people are in fear and kind of screaming and reaching for their sickness bags. If you can be in heart there, and you mentioned the child, I was on a plane once tossing around, adults screaming, there's a four year old behind me, he was going, wee, wee. Okay, so he was in his heart.

Dana Kippel (1:07:04)
Ha ha ha

Yeah.

You're right. Yeah. Laughing and almost at the absurdity of life. It's just so funny. Yeah. What a perfect answer. ⁓ Last final question that I ask everyone. What is something that comes up that will just, you know, that's coming through you when you think of something to tell people that feels like candy for their soul?

Joe Gallenberger (1:07:27)
Yeah.

If you could know how treasured you are by everybody in spirit and on earth who knows you, if you could feel that for even a second, you'd burst into tears and probably not be able to talk for a day. The amount of love there is staggering and our effect is very much not understood by ourselves. My brother committed suicide.

People in Vegas, we just put ⁓ like a one paragraph a bit there. We were on the East Coast. People in Vegas who are bank tellers and grocery store clerks and stuff wrote us to say how much impact he had. And yet he felt worthless. So we all die a little bit when we don't fully express ourselves, if you will. And so in a way, we're all a little bit suicidal.

Dana Kippel (1:08:39)
Hmm. Hmm.

Yeah.

Joe Gallenberger (1:08:53)
when we choose not to be, not to live our fullest. And often it's, you if we could know how much we are loved and treasured and how unique our energy is and how it blesses the world, we'd let the light shine a little more. So I'm going to say that.

Dana Kippel (1:08:53)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Hmm.

I love it. Thank you.

It's very near and dear to my heart too. My aunt committed suicide, so, and I was very close with her. So, and I don't know about your brother, but she was like the biggest light in my life. Like always smiled, always was happy, and you never saw it coming. So everything you're saying is so true. She just couldn't see it, her own light. So I hope someone, you know, that feels maybe that way is number one, hearing everything he just said, and number two, we're all committing suicide a little, so let's just express ourselves fully guys.

⁓ Okay, so tell everyone where they can find you, your book. The links will be below, but anything you want to say about those things, go ahead.

Joe Gallenberger (1:09:52)
Sure, well,

we've talked a lot about liquid luck and if you look that up, you'll see from Harry Potter, but you'll also see my book. Okay. And that's on Amazon, Audible and Kindle and whatever. It's on my website. The meditation that came before the book is only available on my ⁓ website. So you can go to liquid luck and find that, but the official...

Dana Kippel (1:09:59)
Ha ha ha ha!

Yes.

Yes.

website. Yep.

Joe Gallenberger (1:10:17)
website name is SyncSynC like Synchronize and the word creation C-R-E-A-T-I-O-N. So two C's in the middle SyncCreation.com ⁓ and on YouTube, et cetera. There's a lot of ⁓ videos I've been on coast to coast, I think 15 times show called New Thinking Allowed. I like a lot. ⁓ That's they're usually about 20 minutes long. They're there. ⁓

Dana Kippel (1:10:25)
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Okay.

Got it.

Got it.

Joe Gallenberger (1:10:45)
But on my website, there's lots of free articles in the previous articles about energy healing, psychokinesis, manifestation, and ⁓ some suggestions for meditations that are free. So, you know, check out the site. You might find that useful. And ⁓ if you want to see me in Vegas virtual, that's fun.

Dana Kippel (1:11:01)
Yeah. Yes.

Yes.

Joe Gallenberger (1:11:07)
And the home study has three coaching sessions with me personally as part of it. So that's the depth approach. Yes.

Dana Kippel (1:11:12)
Okay.

So that is on your website. So you

have your own course on your website and then you also have MC Squared, Amon Rowe Institute's website, which I'll link below.

Joe Gallenberger (1:11:22)
Yes.

Yes,

I developed MC Squared, but I kept the rights to all the content and I gave them the name. So at Monroe, it's under MC Squared on my site. It's called Sync Creation.

Dana Kippel (1:11:37)
It's the same.

Yeah, so anyone just do whatever you feel called to. And Joe, when we get off Joe, just stay on for one minute just so we could debrief. ⁓ Thank you, Joe for thank you so much just for everything and everyone please follow our podcast on socials, follow Joe's stuff, follow ⁓ all of us, share with your friends and check out more information about Joe ⁓ in the description below. Thank you. I love you everyone.

Joe Gallenberger (1:11:42)
Yeah.

Sure, yeah, you're welcome.

Dana Kippel (1:12:09)
Keep going. You are magic. And thank you once again.

Joe Gallenberger (1:12:11)
Thank you, thank you, Dana.

Dana's the real deal, look at all her stuff, too. I spent a whole week with her and she is beautiful, first thing in the morning till late at night. Inside and out.

Dana Kippel (1:12:15)
my gosh, stop. Thank you.

Thank you, thank you so much. Making me blush. Thank you, Joe. I'll stop recording now. Bye everyone.